sorry if this starts a new thread but i cant seem to reply to the topics......Bruno, it is my forum password that is causing trouble, can get into the main site no problems. The random number thing is what the forum sends you as a new password if you select the lost password option - it works to let me post a thread but dont seem to be able to log on - if you look at the who's visited section you will see i dont appear yet this thread comes up in my name?? How weird