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New FAC algorithm to enter as soon as possible.
EHM-1703 Philip:
@ Jim - please do not take my comment out of context...... Yes flying a plane full of pax in busy airspace for 1 or 2 hours is not a "no brainer" and I agree it is challenging. Flying a 747 full of pax on a busy NAT for 7 hours constantly monitoring fuel use EGT, VIB and the likes is just as challenging only 3 to 6 times longer! (Most RW airlines renumerate long haul captains better than short haul captains, there is a reason for this IMHO) We are not merely penalising somebody for flying 1 or 2 hours a week........ Please do not only see the negative side of this, we are rewarding the Pilot who flies for 10 or 12 hours a week........ There are two sides to this coin and the balance has been tipped in favour of one side for a long time, we are merely trying to even it up.
--- Quote ---Originally posted by EHM-1500 Jim There seem to have been a number of management decisions in recent months that have punished those of us who dont have a huge amount of time.....if this is going to turn into a regular occurence then the VA will have gone down in my asteem.
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You have mail, I do not want to enter this converstaion in the forum as I do think it will produce a meaningfull result and I do not have the intelligence to win therefore, I admit defeat and respectfully surrender now!
@Miko (and others) - We ARE trying to encourage the use of online flying and ProPilot..... Unless I am mistaken though, we have in no way said that you can not fly for EHM unless you use PP or fly on a network merely that if you choose to add realism or whatever you want to call it then you will be rewarded.... Never forget though, you can still fly how you want and when you want as we will allways maintain a roster system that is far more leniant than most if not all other major VA's
@ Karsten -
--- Quote ---Originally posted by EHM-0361 Karsten
--- Quote ---Originally posted by EHM-1703 Philip Firstly, I agree, long haul flyers do have a tendency to overnight and leave the controls, but if you do that on PP you do so at your own risk, too many variables can occur that result in crashes and or penalties.
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If what our CEO here is saying is the company policy. Then perhaps it time for me to pack it in. And I mean especially when we are talking PP I'm asking myself isn't PP suppose to simulate the real thing. I really hope this wasn't meant the way it came out. I would really like to believe that when someone fly for 8 - 10 hours, that they do it and are not sleeping, in school/at work or something like that.
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The quote above merely means that I know it happens, I can not stop happening under our liberal system but we do not encourage it!!!! Company policy remains unchanged and you will all be welcome to comment if and when company policy ever changes. (not planned at this time, we have far too many other things to do first!)
I hope this clarifies my opinion, keep the discussion going, your input is important and this topic has opened my eyes to how things are percieved, I honestly had no idea! :$
EHM-0005 Maarten:
Dear friends,
As a long time member of the airline, I always had and have my eyes on the decisions of the management. In the MT, both the subjects "online flying encouraging" and "propilot encouraging" have been discussed. My point of view is that encouraging is fine, but over-encouraging/pushing is wrong. With his in mind, I adviced the management on this matter.
When I review the current situation I can only conclude that no one is forced in any way to fly online or to use ProPilot. To be honest, I never fly online and I barely use ProPilot :$ , but I never feel pushed :).
About the formula. With every change, some people will like it and some people don't like it. We all make our flights in different ways (long flights, shorts flights, different aircraft), so we all have different personal requirements to the formula. Personally, I think this formula can keep things in balance.
If you ask a person why he likes EuroHarmony, he'll most likely answer that the open community attracts him. An open community that allows the members to come up with suggestions and comments (both positive and negative). All our posts are being read by the management and they take them in account when making decisions. This also counts for the new FAC algorithm. If the new formula turns out to be less effective than the MT expected then the MT will take a look at it and improve it. That's why the opinions of the whole community are important!
Regards,
Maarten
p.s. And why should be afraid of bad FAC scores? Fly your plane right and you'll have nice scores. No matter what formula is being used :)
EHM-1343 Jonathan:
--- Quote ---Originally posted by EHM-0005 Maarten
p.s. And why should be afraid of bad FAC scores? Fly your plane right and you'll have nice scores. No matter what formula is being used :)
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Exactly, the Idea of ProPilot is to help improve your flying skills...
And anyways, chances are that Bruno will be at the bottom so at least you will be above someone!!;) just kidding mate...you're a good pilot inside...
Good to see a nice lively debate here...Give me a few hours while I think of something to contribute to this discussion...
EHM-1651 Christian:
I understand that some will not gain any advantages of this new FAC calculation, and get hard feelings abou that. Myself included since I doesn't fly much longhaul it will not gain me in any way. I think the MT idea was not to decrease your joy of flying. It rather to increse it. However instead of "going for the MT's throat" wich doesn't do any good, a better idea might be to give the MT your opinions and suggestions for any improvements that you feel would gain Euroharmony.
This would let us keep our advantage as a openminded including VA.
The only thing this going into the throat's of each other contributes to is:
Keeping members away from the forum and make a more closed society.
Myself would not like to enter these discussions as a new member of EuroHarmony, if my only possibilty is to join a fight over an issue I really don't know anything about.
Let at least the new FAC calculation get a month or two, before we hammer it down.
The MT deserves that, after all they spend a lot of time letting us have fun.
I'm sure if the FAC calculations have room for improvements it will be corrected.
Working on projects like this often make you have tunnelvision, not seeing all the possibilies when making something.
Therefore I think it's our job as members of the airline to give our opinion not to blast the idea out of the sky.
"A pilots ego equals the wingspan"
So if everyone starts flying class one the probem is solved:s
Despite of this new FAC calcultion, I hope that we can still enjoy ourselves here at Euroharmony
EHM-1908 Steve:
Would it be in any way possible to take into account the cost of a lost aircraft.For example a larger penalty for the loss of say a 747 and a smaller penalty for a B1900D.Perhaps this could be used in conjunction with the aircraft catagories.
Steve
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