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EHM-1703 Philip:
Again, I fear I am throwing fuel on a fire but.......

Philip,

I will try and address your comments and concerns, please don't feel that I am flaming you or your ideas, I am just answering your posts.....

First Post

I will try to clarify what I posted earlier in this topic.... We know the rules, we are not going to change the rules, we know people do not abide by all the rules. Our liberal system of reporting allows for the breaking of these rules but to remove the liberalism would affect too many people in a negative way and reduce the flexibility that attracts many people to our airline.

If you have conclusive proof that somebody is not abiding by the rules, please feel free to contact your Hub manager or any member of the MT and we will take action. I racked up many hours for the airline when I was working from home and could fly long haul and work at my desk at the same time so please do not throw accusations around that can not be substantiated, it will only alienate other members, this sort of thing should be done in private please!

Second Post
ProPilot is called that for a reason...... It was never intended to be easy!!!! If you want to come home after a hard day at work and fly for fun, then please feel free to fly a tour or a mission or just a regular scheduled flight, file the pirep on the website or with the flogger and have a great deal of fun while you are doing it!!!!

If you want to add a bit more excitement to it and fly on the edge of your seat then use ProPilot..... No one is saying that we are going to switch to this system exclusively and certainly no one is saying the sytem is perfect! That is why we are making changes now and we will continue to do so for the foreseable future. ProPilot has been a huge investment of effort and will not be shelved. It was introduced to offer a system and a way of flying that was not being operated by other virtual airlines. Of course we want everyone to use it...... By the same token, of course we are always going to be aware that people dislike it or don't want to use it, that is why we still have manual Pirep Validation and a normal flight system, so people can fly as and when they want to.

In general to all
Whichever way you fly, all pilots are welcome here and you WILL NOT be judged a better or worse EHM pilot whichever way you fly.

Please, if you have a constructuve point to make about the proposed FAC, please make it in this topic. If you have genuine concerns about ProPilot or any other system or person at EHM then please start a new topic or email relevant member(s) of the MT with them.

The long and the short of it is...... Some members of the MT have invested a considerable amount of their own time trying to improve ProPilot and for that matter many other parts of the airline, by posting damning comments about this work you will undoubtedly reduce the amount of development that takes place and that will not be a good thing for any of us!

Lastly, I am getting the impression that some people are not happy here or with the way things are developing???? Please, if you have concerns, ideas and input or if you feel that you could be a valuable addition to the MT, then email Myself or Bruno or any member of the MT you feel comfortable contacting. We are open to your input. We have a growing community of pilots and it is our aim to grow further!

Thank you all for flying with EHM, it is your airline, help us to make it grow!

EHM-1199 Philip:
Really not trying to alienate other members by throwing around unsubstantiated accusations. Quite the opposite...I quoted a comment from a person that substantiated the fact that some EHM members choose to fly while not infront of PC. Fine ... doesn't bother me but feel if that is the case, why not relax the rules and make it OK rather than having rules that we ignore. Same is true of the whole online thing.

I appreciate Pro-Pilot must be some considerable feat of coding and is unique to EHM but having sat in front of a PC where after nearly an hours flight the situation reset and pro-pilot falsly reported a crash I think I'm entitled to be a tad ticked off - especially as flying on pro-pilot was the only way to take part in this event. That's thirteen evenings towards a now unobtainable goal...that or somebody resets my score manually...thereby kind of negating the point of pro-pilot in the first place.

I'm not unhappy with how things are developing. I do feel however that there is an exclusivity around what is still a 'buggy' pro-pilot. In the days prior to pro-pilot we had events that had times on them and came through divisions. This gave folks who had completed tours but still wanted rewarding challenges something else to do. Now, the prime effort is on pro-pilot events which would be just fine if the system was faultless.

Please don't doubt my appreciation for the work that folks do for EHM and the enjoyment it gives but in this case I think it's entirely reasonable to question these issues. Why are events only flyable on pro-pilot? Is this a benefit to the users of the VA or just a coercing of folks into using pro-pilot?

So, coming back to the proposed FAC changes ... my comment was implicit in my previous post: If it encourages pilots to ignore the rule book and leave the PC unattended for hours what is the point? Sure, EHM gets more hours racked up but is this a real reflection of dedication? And the FAC if it does what was sold initially to members should reflect pilot skill. It should reward take offs and landings therefore and not autopliot unattended flights. Just an opinion ... like to hear what others think.

EHM-1001 Robert:
Hi Philip,

I would like to clarify my quoted sentence above: you are simply right, and that is a fact ;)

You cannot leave the cockpit while flying online, but that is not even an EHM rule...it is a rule of IVAO/VATSIM. If you do not follow it, they will simply ban you from the network for days...so EHM is not necessary to check that at all.

While during offline flights, there is not a rule for that. Also, you can use time accelerations to shorten the time you spend in front of the PC. I do not know others habits of flying long-hauls, the most cases I leave the cockpit occasionally for minutes/hours, but many cases I am watching TV, or working at the desk with the headset continously on my ear. I guess the other long-hauler pilots do the same, and it is not against rules, while you fly offline.

About the buggy pro-pilot, FS is a giant application that can fill around 1GB of RAM, with thousands of small individual programs running together, and you cannot blame on Pro-Pilot only if your system is unstable. And I even did not mention that if you got a crash that you have not deserve, and it is able to follow on the ACARS, then you will get back the plane and the penalty ;) You do not need to worry about it.

You are also right, that the number of landings is important, that is why the number of flights is considered in the FAC score, maybe a larger scaler would be better ;) But I hope you agree with me that a longer flight needs more time and more energy than a short one. As we cannot check if you spend all your time in the cockpit, neither we want to say anybody that he is a cheater by default, we need to consider in the FAC that the longer flights counts more.

EHM-1703 Philip:

--- Quote ---Originally posted by EHM-1199 Philip
I appreciate Pro-Pilot must be some considerable feat of coding and is unique to EHM but having sat in front of a PC where after nearly an hours flight the situation reset and pro-pilot falsly reported a crash I think I'm entitled to be a tad ticked off - especially as flying on pro-pilot was the only way to take part in this event. That's thirteen evenings towards a now unobtainable goal...that or somebody resets my score manually...thereby kind of negating the point of pro-pilot in the first place.

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Please see Bruno's post: Here


--- Quote ---Originally posted by EHM-1199 Philip
I'm not unhappy with how things are developing. I do feel however that there is an exclusivity around what is still a 'buggy' pro-pilot. In the days prior to pro-pilot we had events that had times on them and came through divisions. This gave folks who had completed tours but still wanted rewarding challenges something else to do. Now, the prime effort is on pro-pilot events which would be just fine if the system was faultless.

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Propilot was developed over a year ago and has only received minor changes. This is now the 4th ProPilot tour we have run and I admit, we had problems early on with planes getting stollen but this was resolved.

We still have missions, tours and online events that do not run on propilot! These are updated frequently but should we  appologise for developing the ProPilot idea by running events that utilize this system? I understand that these events will not include persons who do not like or do not wish to fly on ProPilot, just like the Online Fly Ins do not include the people who only fly offline.

I can not appologise for moving forward with ideas that not everyone appreciates or likes..... After all, we can only please some of the people some of the time! You will not like everything we do, just as long as you like most of it! I am sure there are people out there who like ProPilot.

EHM-1199 Philip:
Convo ended from my part. Clearly tis the way forward ;)

Just felt and still do ticked off over wasted evenings. As I've said elsewhere - maybe its just my system and if so then sorry for ever criticising something which in essence I love the idea of. However, I'm gonna leave pp until I've had a chance to resintall fs and see if that helps. Have to take the wrap for something here i guess if nobody else is having any issues.

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