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EHM-0654 Murray:
Karsten,

Regarding the "be at the PC" rule (I'm guessing that's what the guist of your "complaint" is about) the problem is that in an offline situation it's difficult to enforce. IVAO/VATSIM have it easy - if an ATC/Supervisor suspects a plane is flying "dead-stick", all he/she needs to do is send the pilot a message (voice or text) - if the pilot doesn't answer in X minutes, they can "legally" be kicked off the network and if necessary banned.

Now, since PP flights *require* the use of the FLogger, it could do something similar. After X amount of time where the FLogger hasn't been interacted with, pop up a dialog that expects the pilot to answer a simple question and click OK (that would stop someone developing a "if a message pops up from this parent program that reads like this, OK it" program). If the question isn't answered in say 15 minutes (which I believe to be the EHM "rule"), the FLogger can mark the flight as "suspect" and not automatically accept it as a PP flight. It would then be up to the Pilot/Hub Manager to discuss the flight before it gets included as a PP flight.

Only problem is that such a system would need a fair bit of development of both the PP system and the FLogger (Bruno, you are welcome to have this idea for PP/FLogger).

EHM-0654 Murray:

--- Quote ---Originally posted by EHM-1821 Javier
So negative would be good or bad? :s

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To my reading, negative is good, but I'd like to see the FAC work more naturally - negative = bad, positive = good.

And just picking up others, there definitely needs to be "bonus good" things. That would be treading on FS Passengers "territory" but would give the most "professional" pilots a goal to work towards; to equate such things to cash - a negative score means you got some thing(s) wrong in the flight (you owe the VA this month), a zero score means the flight was acceptable (you get a basic wage this month), a positive score means you went "above and beyond" (and get a bonus).

EHM-1001 Robert:
Oh no. Basically you continously gain points with successfull flights, just like the salary. ;) But any penalties you got will be substracted from these points. And if you did your job bad, you will got too much substracts, which can lead to a negative score overall. ;)

EHM-1821 Javier:
ok, thanks guys, cleared up my mind;D

EHM-1703 Philip:

--- Quote ---Originally posted by EHM-0361 Karsten
At the risk of stirring up trouble I'm going to say this. Phil and Bruno I find your opinions and answers to subject of the rules in paragraph 4.6 a little weird.
First of all I agree Phil we do have a liberal reporting system. However that system don't apply when it comes to ProPilot. When you are using PP theres only one way to report it. But you are not going to change the rules, and I guess that is that. We can either live with it or take our flying business somewhere else.
But I think it's a little funny to have a rule and say we have this rule. But we know not all is following it. But we are not going to do anything to make sure that people do. It sort of like running a shop, where people them self use a scanner to check out the items they want to buy. At the exit a big poster says: "don't shoplift." How long is a store like that going to stay in business when people figure out that, there no alarms on the items, because the store owner trusts people and their moral.
Okay I have said what I wanted to say. You can either agree with me or disagree with me. Don't really mater.
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Karsten,

I do understand what you are saying, honestly, but we have here a number of conflicting views from many different pilots and MT members about the "away from the controls" point.

The only way I can see of combatting this situation is to introduce a reporting system where you either have to interact with Flogger or the website every 15 or 30 minutes. Other airlines do this and if we introduce it, I feel we are going to lose pilots, I guess what you are saying if we don't do it we are also going to lose pilots anyway, so I guess we are damned if we do and damned if we don't......

Lets leave it for a while and let the Dakar event get put to bed and then we will discuss this matter further when we have all had a chance to formulate views and ideas about the topic.

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