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EHM-1703 Philip:
Moderated by EHM-0654 Murray


--- Quote ---Originally posted by EHM-1798 Conrad
Perhaps you should know what you are talking about before stating such things.
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Conrad,

It is not often I find that it necessary to make a comment about a post that someone has made but your post above was quite out of order!

...Murray in no way personally attacked you or IVAO, he merely stated what is generally felt by most of IVAO's members (including the GB-DIR himself), which is why we fly mainly on IVAO and not VATSIM. (To us it is not a bad thing that things are a little less serious on IVAO!)

If, as you say Conrad, IVAO is becoming more realistic, there is nothing wrong with that so long as their is still space for the hobbyist.

Thank you.

EHM-1798 Conrad:
Moderated by EHM-0654 Murray

[It is my opinion that] my post was not offensive and no apologies are needed. [And nor are they expected Conners - Murray]

EHM-2110 Matt:
OK,

I really don't want any kind of flaming here but here is my 2 cents.

I do agree that IVAO has a more relaxed atmosphere, and VATSIM is more realistic (certainly in the UK).  Now I fly and control on IVAO and have the upmost respect for the GB staff who are increasing realism alot in the division. IvAp is the easier client to use, SB3 and myself never got along!  The difference i find with IVAO is there is much more tollerance for new pilots who are not experienced in the local procedures.  On VATSIM i have found that if you do not fly exactly right and as they expect you are seen as getting in the way of their realism whereas on IVAO I always felt more assisted to improve my skills as both controller and pilot.

So what I would say to Mike is that IVAO in places is as realistic as VATSIM, however if you want a little more assistance and not to feel like a burden when you don't do things quite realistically then choose IVAO.  If you want to throw yourself in t the deep-end and have much more stringent rules to follow then VATSIM is for you!

I hope this is seen as a neutral view as I have used both networks alot - I just feel VATSIM can be slightly more inflexible if you are not 100% sure what you are doing!

My 2 cents

EHM-1703 Philip:
Moderated by EHM-0654 Murray

Conrad,
I have contacted Gareth regarding this subject as you seem to wish to represent IVAO GB outside of it's own forums.

If you would like to communicate with me further, please use email.

Mike,
I am sorry that your thread was hijacked by what can only be described as a childish squabble and I apologise for my part in that. I can only suggest that you make your own mind up, I think you have had enough input from us!

EHM-0654 Murray:
Gareth Richardson, IVAO-GB Director, has asked that a short statement be added to the thread:


--- Quote ---...this was a personal opinion from Conrad, and not in any way connected with the GB division [or it's] staff.

A number of other Virtual airlines also support both networks, which in my opinion is a fantastic thing to do. It allows those “serious” flyers to fly on one network, and the more “laid back” people to fly on the other.
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The post(s) which have raised these issues have been moderated/removed and as such I'm prepared to unlock this thread (on the clear understanding that all parties "let it lie").

@Mike: Once again, on behalf of myself personally and the EHM Online Flying department, apologies that this thread of yours was hijacked and degenerated into a slanging match between a number of people (myself included).

@Conrad: In agreement with statements previously made, I don't hold you culpable for your statement following my initial post. It is my firm belief that misunderstanding caused this, which could so easily have been cleared up at the time by the subsequently modified post

I feel no animosity toward you and it is a shame that this matter got so far out of hand so very quickly. I hope this will not cloud what friendship I felt we had.

As a result of information passed on by Gareth, I would personally like to offer you my sincerest condolences on your recent loss; it would not be fair of me to speak publicly on this particular subject further, but please, know that you have it.

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