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Long Haul Flights
EHM-0695 Scott:
Is 10 hours on autopilot really building flying experience?
I've done my share of long haul flights where I am at the computer for an hour after departure and come back an hour before landing (what idiot would sit there for 10+ hours?). Aside from a small thrill from landing a 700,000 lb plane, is anybody really gaining anything besides the easiest 8 hours in your logbook?
I remember pre-server crash I had one pilot in my hub flying primarily Class 1 flights. What fun to fly a 1900 through the mountains on a tight approach at 120 knots :>
With the exception of my 60 hours in Concorde, all the Class 7 flights I've flown don't feel like flying. I don't learn anything. All I get out of them is flying to some distant and sometimes exotic place.
Anyone that flies Class 7 all the time is really robbing themselves of some pretty stunning scenery (esp in FS2004/FS9). I mean, how boring is scenery at 40,000 feet? At least you may see a landmark or two at 25,000 feet ;)
I am curious to see what everyone's opinions are. Comment please if you like.
EHM-0361 Karsten:
I agree with you when it comes to pilot that only flies those long hauls (have seen a couple of those among the pilot of EGLL, ESSA and EHAM). There is nothing wrong with what they are doing; it's their way of flying. Does that make them expert pilots at flying? Don't think so, mostly it makes them good at handling the "big birds." And once again there is nothing wrong with that.
I haven't done any of the long hauls yet, and won't be doing any or very few (if we are talking 10+ hours.) You see I'm an idiot, if a flight takes 10 hours that's how long I’ll be sitting at my computer. But won’t be doing it in one sitting, it might take four, five or more. But when you look at the bottom line, I will have been sitting there for the whole length of the flight (no time compression.) That’s my way of flying, so I guess on some level I’m an idiot.
EHM-0695 Scott:
Ah but you are not actually running a flight for 10+ hours. Flight sessions is an interesting concept however, I find it far too time consuming to save the flight and flight plan then restart the flight reload the flight data at a later date (especially if you use a realistic FMC).
I just took the Seneca from Athens to Limnos on the first leg of the Greek Tour. Hand flown no autopilot. I was quite busy for nearly an hour on this simple VFR flight. Adjusting course and trim to maintain my cruise and monitor engine performance is always a challenge even after years of practice. Looking forward to finishing the tour in spirit of the Olympics in Athens starting this weekend.
Time compression is bad. Don't use it. It creates more inconsistency.
EHM-1343 Jonathan:
I sit down for ages on long haul flights. You need some thing to do whilst flying to keep you occupied, i talk on MSN or read P.C Pilot.
But the furthest I will go is 6 to 8 hours.
Bye Bye;D
EHM-1328 Willem:
Interesting subject, because Euroharmony permits in the rules flying off-line, pause the flight and resume at a later time.
This is one off the wakest points off euroharmoney because it has nothing to do with real flight.
The same is true for time compression it adds nothing to the flight,
You can choose a shorter destination in realtime with the same time as flight-time after timecompression.
I fly only online and at the moment with a 747-200 from ReadyforPushBack,
1. with this aircraft you can’t walk away from the cockpit and return for landing.
until now i didn’t carry any passenger, i made a lot off chrashes. (and repairs are very expensive).
2. if your flying on-line its against the rules of IVAO , if you are away and there is a ATC online he can kick you off the server if you don’t contact him..
(btw only a supervisor can kick you off the channel/server.)
If i do long flights (>6hrs) i do this with a group off pilots online, and with voice,
its permittied to go out off the cockpit for 15-30 min. but no longer.
During flight i do Programming work(Delphi) or Aircraft repainting.
The long flights on this moment are only used to increase flight-hours and add nothing to the qualityoff pilots(s).
The flights mentiond by Scott are the real challenge, and if you make this with a cessna/beechraft or B737 its no matter, try realisme setting on 100% and try again, try again over and over until you make no mistakes/chrashes, after this try setting heavy weather(lol)
I’m suggesting that Euroharmony change the rule that long flights >6 hrs can only be logged and flying on-line and with no time compression.
I can’t vote on the poll because non off the questions is relevant to me.
Willem, EHM1328
If you think i’m crazy, better ask the question who’s not crazy.
or if you think i'm idiot , you will be a greater idiot.
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