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EHM-2383 Ian:
Thanks for reply, Murray. I understand the situation with the current version of flight logger. I was thinking ahead to the new version when commenting.

EHM-0654 Murray:
Well, to some extent, that's why I want to move over to the average-based FAC, rather than the monolithic FAC that's currently in place. While it's not yet set in stone, I'd like the new overall FAC (for FLv4) to be a score value between 0 and 100 (in other words, a percentage) so that it's simple and obvious who are the best and not so good pilots.For individual flights, the FAC will be a far more complete thing, with skills demonstrated accruing a positive score, and errors perceived accruing a negative score; flying to the right destination is a good thing, crashing is a bad thing. All the lights penalties will be completely revisited (though it's strange that the DC-3, which has no strobes, doesn't attract the "No strobes at engine start" penalty...), along with the much hated "overspeed due to weather" penalty; in fact, this is going to be such a radical change in PP that it's likely we'll have to say no more FLv3 for PP flying...

EHM-2387 Eric-Jan:

--- Quote from: EHM-0654 Murray on September 07, 2009, 10:38:41 am ---... this is going to be such a radical change in PP that it's likely we'll have to say no more FLv3 for PP flying...

--- End quote ---

Which is, in my opinion, a good thing. Provided that enough forewarning is given of cause, and I think this thread is doing exactly that. Sometimes a drastic change is the only way forward.

Getting curious about that FLv4...

Eric-Jan

EHM-2470 kivanc:
Hi,

If it is intended to be something 'Pro-' then it should be as real as possible first. In this point of view not cancelling any penalties such as overspeed... etc. but adding newer penalties is needed. Think about that you're in a Learjet and overspeeding (Besides your life, about 40 M$ is risked). In flight most of the time there are no chance to recover the mistakes as it should be in pro-mode.

If a crash happens or pilot made a mistake pilot must face it all the time. Unless pilot reset his/her carrier and begin from the start, which is the unique opportunity that sims enable us. Thus I am against the periodic cancellation of penalties in anyway and offer the reset mechanism for the once who like to get rid of the previous acts. Otherwise this could be something like 'halflife or Counterstrike', in my opinion. Points would be only a number then.

But there are also some computational cases, such as light management... etc.. If pilot turns the lights off and on at an instant, even for the control, it would count a penalty. This kind of things could be avoided from the FAC by the improvement of the flightlogger or even by the selftrust between us and reporting it on the PIREP; which I think has already been taken into account by MT.

EHM-2470 kivanc:
Hi,

About FAC calculation;
Actually, if it will be (Must) continuous there is no importance of point-ing. Since every one should act in that specified order. But nontheless I would like to offer some opinions about importance of the minute coefficient.  In this formula longer flights are favoured and resultantly the use of time compression (TComp.) is compensated which is good for preventing very fast increase of points and the use of TComp.. But what about the short flights, which are sometimes more difficut than the longer (Such as Zurich-Innsbruck) according to geographical conditions. In this point of view, for the minute coefficient,  I would offer some modification of the FAC calculation.
Every flight could have a previously appointed point according to its difficulty, duration, waiting passanger #... etc. and this point could be added to FAC directly.
The average flight time could be calculated by the flight logger by taking into account the current aircraft and if the flight time is shorter! than the determined flight time with a telorance than a point correlated with the stardard deviation (Diffence from the average) could be subtacted from the FAC.
Additionally, weather could also be included or added in the points of FAC. Since it is not the same flying at north on winter and summer.

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