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Archive => ProPilot => Old Forum => ProPilot Main Forum => Topic started by: EHM-0948 Bruno on November 04, 2006, 08:53:55 pm
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Dear pilots,
We have a new event on ProPilot.
The Event is going to start at Luanda airport, at 10th November and ends at Beirut Airport at 24th.
So, if you want to join, send an email to bruno@fly-euroharmony.com in order to receive your airplane.
Remeber, don't crash your airplane.
We suggest you start practising with the MD-17 Cargo UNHCR airplane as soon as possible. Try visual landings at most.
Also, if you have some problems landing it, try to decrease the realism settings on the airplane so you can be more hard on the landings.
Also, always view the landing runway before doing the flight, because some default sceneries have some problems on some aerodromes that we use.
Install all the required sceneries that we have on the EVENTS page. They will help you on this part.
This is the official discussion thread, so post your comments/suggestions here.
Regards,
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Can we fly all flights online (and submit PIREPs on ivao)? Since FS time is in our control, we can change FS time when flying online even though the actual time is not correct.
and i just found out that the plane's wheels dont touch the ground, anyone with this problem?
I editted the cfg file for the first 3 contact points(landing gear) to:
point.0 = 1.000, 56.000, 0.000, -12.500, 1000.000, 0.000, 1.800, 70.000, 0.500, 2.500, 0.900, 9.000, 8.000, 0.000, 220.000, 250.000
point.1 = 1.000, -7.000, -16.000, -14.000, 2000.000, 1.000, 2.000, 13.000, 3.000, 2.500, 0.900, 11.000, 9.000, 2.000, 220.000, 250.000
point.2 = 1.000, -7.000, 16.000, -14.000, 2000.000, 2.000, 2.000, 13.000, 3.000, 2.500, 0.900, 11.000, 9.000, 3.000, 220.000, 250.000
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Thanks for that Javier, I'll see if my airplane's gear has issues and see what happens.
I just got through installing all those must have files for the scenery. Quite a lot to get through! But I bet the tour will make it all worth it. I can't wait to start the event. The countdown to Friday begins!
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I now realized that the UNCHR-Event is a ProPilot-Event - till now I am afraid not having made any expereence with it - I only read the PP-manual and assume that it is a very enjoyable program - but till Friday I will not have enough practice to do all the things: Manage PP. Online-Flying and have the skills to fly the large plane in an acceptable manner.
So I'll join you next year.
Have fun!
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Thanks Javier, I did not notice it until you not mentioned. BTW, I would recommend 12.8 and 15.0 Z coordinates, otherwise the gears sink too much into the ground (at least on tarmac)
I am uploading the plane again with the new settings ;)
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I don't think flying online would be appropriate (not sure though), as many of the flight have set weather themes that have to be used.
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Awesome...bring it on. Really looking forward to this event. Good work team!!
Jim
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Also, could some one remind / help me as to where and how to install the scenery updates from the events page - i'm really bad at it and can never remember which file in FS9 to add the sceneries too??
Many thanks Jim
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How long will each flight take on average?
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All have varying lengths, so hard to determine an average...Count me in for the event though, havent done one yet.
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I'm not sure whether to do it or not! I've been very VERY busy lately, and my FS has decided to act weird on me. I do not have much experience flying the big planes, so with my luck, I'll probably crash!
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Ok mates,
Till now we have 11 reservations! That's a fine number just for the first hours for the announcement! ;D
Regarding your doubts:
You can do the flight on IVAO. You need to disable the "real time when loading" feature on the IVAP settings, because you should do the flight at day to see the runway (remember it's grass, no beacon lights on the runway).
You should practise the visual landings with the airplane. Practise with 50% fuel maximum, no need for more when doing the legs because they are short.
Always check if the destination has the runway okay! This is very important, because some default sceneries have some problems on the runways (runways cutted with land, runways ABOVE the land level, etc etc).
Any urgent problems write them here. I ask you all to help your friends in order to solve their problems. Also, the MT is 100% informed of everything, so, ask them also.
Here are the participants till now:
(http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5076/image1rp2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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Great. After I get home from school tonight I'll have a look at all the airports and make sure there's a runway there. Thanks for the plane too, Bruno! This is going to be a fantastic event...
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Would love to take part but the tight time constraints make it impossible when working shifts :@
Good luck to everyone
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I've installed the C-17, but the gauges don't work. I don't understand why, because earlier I installed it, and the gauges worked
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@ Matt: Copy the old C-17 file panel into the new version´s aircraft folder. (Replace it, by the old one). That´s what I´ve done and it has worked;D
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Ok, I'll give it a try!
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I would like to fly, but will be away from the 17th to 26th November. Good luck to everyone.
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Bruno, could you reserve us one? Thanks!
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Hi Tim,
You need to send me an email please. Thank you.
Regards,
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Hi,
I need some information :
1 - Required files - no problem with installation, because there are readme files inside the zip files. Except Afrique_Afcad_p2, that has a lot of text files. Where i must put them?Or this files are just information?
2 - In the airfield HCMM, i have duplicate rwys, it is one rwy and another above the first one. I see that because it doesn't match exactly.
3 – In Addis Ababba (HAAB) i open the fs with the aircraft on the active rwy, and it was placed on a cross position in the middle of the rwy.
Concerning the aircraft installation, no problem.I installed the EuroCargo and the new Euroharmony v4 MD-17 without problems,everything is working right.The plane's wheels touch the ground and the gauges are ok.
I did a few EHM World tour legs with this aircraft for practice, and i have see that:
1 - Is not possible to lock the clock (lock the chronometer), for visual approaches, it is very useful.
2 - I only obtain to take off after 150 on the speed display, with flaps at position 2. A problem on short grass rwys.
3 – After t/off, must be careful with the climb rate, it is easy to stall.
4 – On approaches if we cut the power much early, the airplane falls like a rock .
Summarizing,this goes to be the best and the more difficult event of all the times.
Do not fear the ProPilot, read about penalties, try to not crash, come on and have fun.
Congratulations to the management and good luck to everyone
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Have downloaded the aircraft, will join in if i like it :)
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"4 – On approaches if we cut the power much early, the airplane falls like a rock ."
That's the most important thing to remember my friends .... do a good long approach, come near the ground, about 500fpm on a stable altitude and speed, and at the end drop down the nose and reduce speed to land ...
Don't use it like the normal IFR approaches where you start the approach about 20nm from the airport and 8000ft on the air, it's complex to do this on visual landings on grass runways!
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Ok mates,
I decided to make the first leg to test it out. I will give you my tips to handle it correctly.
Ok, airborne already. I didn't took too much fuel, neither flown at a higher altitude. Just 8000ft. I suggest you do the same on this small legs.
(http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/5771/xphome2006nov5001gr2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Here already at cruising altitude and speed, taking some notes on my notebook.
First, you need to use the GPS as your VOR/NDB instrument. Basically you set the source and destination airport and choose Directy flight. Then, at airbone you choose DCT on your GPS and place the FNMQ airport so it can give you the relative bearing to the airport. This is very important in order to do a correct visual approach with an airplane like this one!
(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4561/xphome2006nov5002nx6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Ok here I am very close to the aerodrome. The runway is 07 - 25, so you need to do the most simple VFR approach:
1. You pass by the runway.
2. After you pass the runway you wait about 3 minutes before turning to right or left, parallel to the runway but on the oposite way!
3. You do a 180 turn to align with the runway, using the GPS bearing to FNMQ as aid.
(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3483/xphome2006nov5005nz1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Passing throw the runway here ...
(http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/1589/xphome2006nov5006bn6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Now I'm doing a right full 180 base and final leg for the approach ... notice that the BRG on the GPS is climbing to near 250 degrees for alignment ... (Rwy 25).
(http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/8222/xphome2006nov5007ra8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
... and there I am, almost aligned with the runway on manual mode now.
(http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/1743/xphome2006nov5008uh2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
On the final now, completely manual. Notice the airspeed...
(http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/316/xphome2006nov5009cp9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Touching ground!
(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9107/xphome2006nov5010ev0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
And stopped.
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5599/xphome2006nov5011lj7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
You can see that on the approach I was very close to the ground. That's the best way to approach and land this heavy airplane, is to avoid coming from high altitudes directly on the runway. It's very hard that way, so I strongly suggest this approach.
Regards,
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I’m not a good pilot but I think its worthy if I try it, still download a file which required for this event
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I just noticed something
LEG 1:
Flight EHM-C881 from Luanda (FNLU) to Maquela (FNMQ).
Range: 226 nm.
Flight Date: From 10th Nov to 12th Nov.
Departure: 06:00 GMT.
Crew: 170 lbs.
Loadmasters: 0 lbs.
Total Pallet weight: 82.500 lbs.
is this supposed to be 82.500 lbs or 82,500lbs?
Because in Leg 8,
LEG 8:
Flight EHM-C888 from Nairobi Wilson (HKNW) to Lokitaung (HKLG).
Range: 370 nm.
Flight Date: From 17th Nov to 19th Nov.
Departure: 11:45 GMT.
Crew: 170 lbs.
Loadmasters: 170 lbs.
Total Pallet weight: 105.100 lbs (6 UN Jeeps).
ATTENTION! Weather at take off must be set to theme "Cold Fronts".
6 jeeps cannot possibly weigh 105.1lbs unless they are toy jeeps lol. i think its supposed to be 105 thousand and 100lbs instead.
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In Europe, periods are used in the place where we would use commas. So yes, he means a) 82,500lbs and 105,100 lbs ;)
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oh, ok, thanks. btw, the runway at HKLG is sand and with 85,200lbs for takeoff, i could only just takeoff at the end of the runway with a 20-25% (wing tanks, 20% in each wing) fuel load. Difficult stuff lol:]
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Well, call me boring, but I find it quite hard to imagine how I will do these flights, and picture what time to do it etc. so I made a chart. The picture below is the chart I made for myself. I could make an emptier one in case anybody wants to use it too, although, it does require Microsoft Excel.
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2638/fsscr000gq5.png)
The red rectangles show what days each leg is allowed. Underneath, it shows each leg in Nm, but I highlighted the long ones yellow, just to remind me where they are, but you don't have to have that in the original copy.
On the "Which legs I'll do" that shows which legs I will do on each day. I have left some blank, because of time reasons, I'll just have to fly whenever I can! When it goes into brackets, that's just saying what possible legs I could do that day.
Finally, the X's in some of the red rectangles are for my reminding. Doesn't really apply to everyone else.
I can put up something here to let people download this, but I think I'd need management permission first.
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Any o0ne else having trouble installing the aircraft?? Unfortunately he auto install programme misloads it into my fs9 folder so i have extracted the aircraft folder into the aircraft folder in fs9 and the gauges into the gauges folder in fs9. I can load the aircraft but can not interact with the switches in the cockpit - unable to flick any switches except the radio and gps and map icons?/
Any help much appreciated, Jim
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It is strange and funny. The auto-installer needs your main FS folder. So for example: C:\games\FS2004.
Then, it have 2 folders inside. The airplane will goes to the ..\given folder\aircraft, and the only 1 gauge file will goes under ..\given folder\gauges. I tried it and it works at me.
Do you have FS2002 or FS2004 ?
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And the HUD is not in the panel anymore.
Very nice to have during the visual approaches with no navaids. It's good to have focus ouside rather than looking down on the EFIS
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Have worked it out....i extracted the individual gauge files out into the maingauges folder which was the problem...justput the whole .cab file in now and it works fine. Many thanks any way, jim
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And have not mentioned, but it seems you sorted out...so all the new aircrafts are going to a new category under the aircraft selection : EuroHarmony v4 it has a technical reason, so you can separate your old aircrafts from the new ones. ;)
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The "." means thousands. :)
We have 18 pilots at this moment registered.
Regards,
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Just making sure... am I one?
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Well if all fly the first leg online, it will be crowded on the grass field:):%
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wouldnt like to be the last one taking off lol - the grass would be mud at that stage ha ha :o
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Hey, Bruno, My E-mail can't seem to reach you, but you can sign me up!
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Hi Matt,
Welcome then. Your airplane tail id is HB-AER. The airplane is reserved. You can lock another flight but this airplane cannot be locked by anyone besides you.
Regards,
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Wow, 19 pilots already! This is a huge event, even bigger than the last one (I think). Yay!
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make that 20 Ben i just sent my mail to Bruno 2!! what an event this will be ;D
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Hey guys, this will be a tight business down there in Africa. Our birdie MD 17 UNHCR is lovely aircraft, but bring him up or lay down to the grass piloting manually.....woooow! But....the show must go on!!!
Peter
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you guys have me worried bout this now..... :s - i'm gonna practise the first leg tonight and see whether or not i'll be ok - i think i'll be grand..... i hope i'll be grand ;)
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Hey, Brian. I just did the first two legs. I found the grass runway more of a challenge to line up with rather than land.
My advice for Grass runways is get in line WAY before you land. While landing, go very slow, and make sure you are prepared for a very fast stop!
I find the take-off very very hard for the grass runway, but you need to go even further before the runway starts, keep the parking brake on as you power up, and then unleash the power! You can manage to do it, but Practise makes perfect!
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Ok, here is the link to my propilot thing. Please remember you need Microsoft Excel! I will try to make a word version aswell!
Click Here! (http://www.freewebs.com/acvtimetable/Propilot.rar)
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Hey Brian. When on final, not just line up way before touch down on the grass, but approach as low as possible, since our birdie sometimes has a problem to come down fast enough due to too high approaching speed. The consequence: you might jump over the half of the runway before you touch down and it's a big question if the brakes will be sufficient to stop this iron monster in time.
Peter
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Well the engines on the MD-17 are midair reversible so you can start the thrust reversing before touchdown.
Just like to the good old DC-8:>
I tried to land at the first grass strip with full fuel onboard, and made a rather long landing but managed to stop before the "treshhold"
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Sounds like the MD17 was a wise choice for these small air strips. Was there any particular reason for choosing it, or was it at random?
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and dont come in too low either way for HKLG!!!! :] Mountains on both sides...
and i think the reason for choosing the MD-17 was that its a military aircraft capable of landing on short, unprepared/unpaved airstrips:>
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The decision to include the MD17 in the fleet was simple: it is the correct sized airplane to fit into Class6/EuroCargo.
It was elected for this mission because it can land and takeoff on short airfields, and...because we now have Hercules C130s ;D
Try to calculate your fuel, and take only as much as necessary. The smaller the aircraft weight, the smaller the landing length. ;)
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i tried flying it last night - it handles like a dream...... i like it a lot and am looking forward to friday even more now! ;D
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You can always try to approach at 120 kts with full flaps, and also try to rotate at 120kts with half flaps. Then the grass runways will not be so difficult. ;)
Another trick for visual approaches. I discovered if you came in at 120kts, full flaps, at around -400...-500fpm descent rate, the runway must be visible in line with the small compass on the cockpit window. If you see this, you are proabably near the optimal glide slope ;)
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thanks for the tips Robert and may i say the paint job for the MD-17 for this event is fantastic! I only had a quick flight in it last night but it looks real good! well done again....
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Well the MD-17 is capable of landing on a 3000ft field with
160.000pound of payload.
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it really sounds like quite an amazing plane - a good choice so for this event with all the short landing strips we'll be using ;D
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And on the ground, a fully loaded aircraft, using engine reversers, can back up a two percent slope.
But anyone got the fuel flow figures.
Or can make a smart a little fuel predictor.(or calc)
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I use a very simple calculation ;D I usually divide the distance with range and got a basic amount of fuel rate. Of course it depends on the payload, and efficiency factors, like cruise speed and level, but that is just enough and works most of the times ;)
If you expect to fly the 1st 2 legs without a pitstop, that is around 1400nm together as Bruno said, but almost empty for the 2nd leg, so 45...50% fuel is just enough without refuelling on the grass airfield.
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Hi
After testing the Pro Pilot system I decided to join this event and probably get myself a heart attack, but my mail to Bruno bounces back to me.
Regards Mikael
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Solved the mail bouncing problem.
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Hi,
You have your email Mikael.
We have 29 pilots with reserved airplanes so far. Congratulations mates! So, I wish you a very nice flight for this evening.
I will be there to cover the event ;) ...
Regards,
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I just tried to fly the first leg of the Event (as I'm not free tonight) but I get the message 'No flight is locked' even though I've checked and my plane is definitely locked on the website...
Is this because of the fly-in tonight? Unfortunately evenings are normally a bad time for me...
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Exactly same for me....really wanted to fly the first leg this morning as am off on holiday for the weekend this afternoon and not back till monday by which time it will be too late.....oh well, will have to miss this event then.....shame, jim
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hi all, i just tried to lock flight to start the event but when i got to the plane that is reserved for me there is no flights listed for this aircraft.
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Hi Kevin
Have you updated your Flight Logger, that should do the trick.
Trevor
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Hey,...
have the same problem. Found the plane reserved for me...but there's no flight to be listed...
Also tried to update my Flight Logger...nothing changed...
R!CK
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maybe none of the flights will be able to be flown until after the 7:30pm time for the fly-in has passed?? :s
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HI
The Boeing MD-17 UNHCR is last on the Aircraft available list on Flight Logger.
Try pressing the "Update " button again.
cheers,
Trevor
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Hey...
I tried that,...and i get the MD-17, but i cannot lock the flight at the propilot division. but maybe it's true that we cannot lock our plane until the first fly-in...
R!CK
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we shall all have to just wait and see........ unless Bruno can shed light on the situation?? :s
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It's nice weather in Luanda at least. I'm going for a walk in the area untill the problem is solved. :>
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Ditto ... everybody elses plane appears to be red and therefore locked for a flight. My plane is there in green on the propilot page but I can't actually lock it as there is no flight listed when I click on the Tail-ID ... know I've been away for sometime... have things changed while I was gone? Am I doing something wrong? Basically until I can lock the flight on ProPilot I don't s'pose I can fly it and if I can't fly it then I'm going to have to miss the online wheeze of this evening. Never mind eh? Don't mind flying it offline but would like to be able to lock it if anyone knows how :)
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I have the same green and almost everybody else red, but nowhere to fly and thus not able to lock.
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exactly the same case. I just clicked the propilot button in Flogger, and it said you must lock a flight first. Then went to my plane, which is also green, and there are no flights available for it, so therefore, I cannot lock it, meaning I cannot fly it.
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Well. the fly-in starts in half an hour so I think things will then start to happen:D.
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Ok, it's solved out, sorry.
Regards,
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Day 1
(http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/9544/fsscr508ai4.jpg)
(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1042/fsscr512gp6.jpg)
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https://jrac.erdc.usace.army.mil/documents/tripreport.pdf
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c-17.htm
but landings on a grass field is the funny part,...but's we are only in the VA world where you can dot this stuff LOL :]
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Murray flew a Antonov 124?!:o:o:o
MTLs ehh?;D
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Bruno,
I'd just like to ask you, when will be the time when we're allowed to do the next flight? Like I was just about to fly the 2nd leg of the tour, and I found that there were no flights able to be locked. Are you going to make the flights at certain times of the day, or at a random time?
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Matt, u gotta wait till the next leg is open, which is after the 3-day period for each of the legs;)
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no, if I read correctly on the event page, you can start eh 2nd leg today, as well as keep on doing the 1st one. Tomorrow will be the middle day for the 2nd leg, last day for the 1st leg to be flown, and the first day for the 3rd leg
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Come on Bruno, wakey wakey!
Not doing the best of jobs activating these flights. :P
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if this flight isn't activated today, could we have an extra day to do it? Because that's only fair for people who wanted to fly it today.
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Hi,
There is a small problem. Hold on please.
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Originally posted by EHM-1358 Tim
Come on Bruno, wakey wakey!
Not doing the best of jobs activating these flights. :P
Hi,
The flights are activated automatically ;).
Sorry for the time waiting. The problem is solved!
Regards,
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Bruno, can we have one additional day to do this flight? Because this thing has thrown me off track a bit
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i'm sure that shouldnt be a problem...... Bruno? and yeah whats with all the Antonov's i thought we could only fly the MD-17's?? :%
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Hi,
Sounds fair and it's updated. The C882 flight now ends at 14th.
The rest of the flights will be mantained.
Regards.
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that's great Bruno i'm sure Matt and the guys will be pleased.... thanks for your fairness!! ;D
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Originally posted by EHM-1980 Brian
i'm sure that shouldnt be a problem...... Bruno? and yeah whats with all the Antonov's i thought we could only fly the MD-17's?? :%
in IVAO, there's no MTL for the MD-17's. I don't know whether you fly online or not. If you don't have a clue about online flying, just shortening the explanation, that basically means when they fly online, the system they use doesn't have the MD-17 installed, so they are using it, but since the system they use hasn't got the MD-17, they'd have to pick the closest plane to the MD-17. Looks like they chose the Antonov
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ah now i understand..... appreciate the info Matt thanks! :) the Antonov is some plane....
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I used another one that it's more closer to the MD-17 ..
I will try to look at it and tell you...
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Ok, the MTL ICAO code is C141 (Lockheed Starlifter).
Regards,
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have a little problem...
my plane is gone. yesterday i made the first leg, submitted my pirep and everything works fine...got a 0 for the flight...
and now i wanted to do the second leg, but i cannot lock the flight as my plane is gone.
what can i do now???
R!CK
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Rick, what's your EHM-ID, and if you know it the tail number of your plane?
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... also, Rick, did you reserved your airplane by sending an email to me ?
Regards,
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After a lot of problems. i did the first leg FMLU- FNMQ.....but i don't know why, the propilot give two penalities.
When i was just landing at FNMQ, Willem(EHM328) enter in the session and park on the side of the field, and in this moment i saw
Pen-003 Eng started without beacon lights
Pen-005 No landing lights below FL010
Total to pay 230.....ehehehe
AS we can see on the acars i landed 50 seconds later .
The beacon was on from the start at FNLU, as well the landing lights were on.
For me no problem, it is just a information
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@Bruno, thanks for holding the flight for us!
@Brian, I'm glad that the tour is done with the MD-17 after seeing antonovs trying to land on a runway like that!
@Rick, I don't think I ever saw a locked plane for you on the main list at FNLU. Did you lock your own one, or any of the white planes?
@Luis, I was doing a non-propilot flight, and I found when I landed, that the same messages came up, even though it was totally wrong. Maybe it's a bug, but luckily, it doesn't give too many penalty points out...
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Hey...
yes I wrote you a mail. My tail-id was HB-AEI. When i did the first leg i found my plane with that tail-id reserved for 1855 (my EHM-ID) and is was green. i flew the first leg, submitted my pirep via flight logger, got a 0 and the flight is listed in "my flights" at the propilot division. and it is also listed at my flights in my stats. but my plane isn't not listed anymore in propilot.
R!CK
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I know your problem it happened to me, on the lock flight page, there is a limit to the number of lines shown.
Change the value from 30 to 50 and you will see yours...happy flights.
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No - my plane is still not in the list...
but thanx,...
R!CK
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Rick,
When you go to the Lock Flight page, what happens when you search for the tail number of your plane (HB-AEI) instead of searching the airport?
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Hey Phil,...
again no results...no plane is listed
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I know this is gonna sound stupid, but where are they payloads we are suppose to be carrying? The first one was easy because someone typed it in a message, but where do I get the rest? I know i must have missed it somewhere!! :$
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It,s in the event pager under the pilot section.
Every flight adn info about is there, including the payloads
Have a great time flying the event.
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Thanks!!!!
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OK Rick, Sorry gonna have to pass this to Bruno or one of the more techniacal guys in the MT! Sorry mate.
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I also wrote a mail to Bruno...let's see what happens...
I was really looking forward to that event...so hopefully i can continue.
Thanks Phil,...
R!CK
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Some terrible weather in Africa ATM, hitting some big thunder storms and getting rain at FL200!
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Originally posted by Ixsite
Hey...
yes I wrote you a mail. My tail-id was HB-AEI. When i did the first leg i found my plane with that tail-id reserved for 1855 (my EHM-ID) and is was green. i flew the first leg, submitted my pirep via flight logger, got a 0 and the flight is listed in "my flights" at the propilot division. and it is also listed at my flights in my stats. but my plane isn't not listed anymore in propilot.
R!CK
Rick,
Looking at the things I'm happy to look at (Pro-Pilot aircraft locker and the backend databases...):
* AEI is still locked to you
* AEI is in a crashed state (I'm not going to say any more on that...)
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In a crashed state??? How is that possible? I got a 0 for that flight ...
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Like I say, I'm not saying any more about it here... I've informed Bruno of my findings and we'll see what transpires.
Anyhow, I've locked you a new plane at FNMQ - HB-AFS is also yours now Rick: Good flight and safe landing.
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ok thanx
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Wow!! The first 3 legs arent for the faint of heart. Bad weather, heavy turbulence, and a nice view of thunder and lightning were my travel companions! :D
It truly was fun though. Nothing like a little tricky weather to sharpen those skills!!!
Great Flights!!! ;D;D
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Hi guys, I just flew the second leg of the tour a couple of hours ago and now my plane has gone missing. The ID is HB-AEB and it is not at HRYR, nor is it at FNMQ or FNLU. It is simply gone. I also incresed the number of aircraft listed at HRYR to 100 but still, HB-EAB isn't there. I didn't crash and (unfortunately) got a 240.00 PP score on the flight. I logged the PIREP as usual and was immediately credited for the hours but now the plane is gone. Any help? Thanks!
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Hi Ben,
Your airplane is active again. We detected the problem and now we are correcting it.
Regards,
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Thanks very much Bruno, I look forward to flying the third leg when I get home from school today!
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Looks like I'm the first victim of the tour. FS crashed on finals for the second leg, and due to the length, I do not have time to refly in time for the next leg...
Enjoy the rest of the event gents.
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nice screenshots Bruno - good advice too.....;D
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Those of you that haven't flown C883 yet, can I humbly suggest you *DON'T* use ActiveSky for the weather (if you intend flying it in the, ooh, next 12 hrs). In the real world (according to IVAO and Jeppessen), the weather is reasonable; bit of cloud, light wind, but no more. AS has dropped a vast thunderstorm over Kigali again, feck all visibilty and really intense rain.
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Absolutely sound advice there that I can second. In my ignorance of course I tried it :D
164m visibility on departure made for an interesting takeoff. Arrival weather was not so bad... or at least it seemed that way. As I got nearer, visibility worsened to <1000m and I couldn't make the visual approach. I diverted back to Kigali and shot the ILS and then re-attempted the flight with AS's VATSIM weather and it was much more manageable.
C884 should be OK with the VATSIM weather as well - I just completed it - although there is cloud and icing at FL350+ (I cruised FL310).
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Well, I also crashed too. It was mainly my fault. Took off with too much fuel, overshot the runway, and crashed into a building. Not too good, so enjoy the rest of the tour everybody!
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Hi,
you have a new airplane Matt.
We will give one spare airplane to everyone. Just send me an email.
Regards.
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Thanks for the heads up, Murray. I've encountered some pretty nasty wx via Active sky on this event early on. I'm really having a blast. I'm not sure I would have ever tried some of these landing had I not been in this event. Truly a challenging event!!
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Well, I could have been the first victim. After thunderstorms and turbulence it all settled and I was sitting on a stable approach att 500 ft, ca 120 kts with 3-4 nm left. Then the infamous GMT bug hit and reloaded the scenery. When it came back I had the nose up 20 degrees and a speed of 102 kts. I was not captain enough to recover. It still hurts... :8
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Originally posted by EHM-0948 Bruno
We will give one spare airplane to everyone
isnt this a bit unrealistic? .... :% or is it only fair due to the difficulty of the event?.....:s - actually due to weather that people have been encountering and the difficulty of the event i think perhaps it is only fair.... ;D nice one Bruno ;)
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It's because the difficulty Brian.
The event is very complex and many things can go wrong. So I decided to open an exception on this event.
Regards,
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i'm sure everyone is very pleased with this generous exception Bruno..... ;D
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It's because the difficulty Brian.
The event is very complex and many things can go wrong. So I decided to open an exception on this event.
Regards,
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It's too late for me to jump in a spare plane I guess since I crashed at the first leg. Well, I'll enjoy the normal PP for now and will be looking forward to the next event. This one was really inspiring! Thanks to all involved, dispite my short flight time. :)
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at least ya tried thats the main thing Mikael - i unfortunately couldnt make it at all which was truly disappointing :'(
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Just an question do you get the usual suspension when crashing on this event??
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Originally posted by EHM-1651 Christian
Just an question do you get the usual suspension when crashing on this event??
Well, I did get suspended. No complaints about that though...
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Originally posted by EHM-1980 Brian
at least ya tried thats the main thing Mikael - i unfortunately couldnt make it at all which was truly disappointing :'(
Loved the tension when the thunder and turbulence came and I knew I had to get her down in one piece. Not the usual "if it works, it works"...
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Hi Christian,
Normally we try to unsuspend you as soon as possible.
Another thing, I just made the flight from Entebbe to Mbarara and I strongly suggest:
1. Take 20% fuel.
2. On the direct path (via GPS), you will approach via the runway 29. On the final leg you have a small mountain there. So, on the approach, don't descend (until you see the runway) bellow 6500ft !
3. Pass over th runway, and do the approach turning right to the runway 11.
I almost crashed against that small mountain because i was 5800ft and I was with low visibility.
Regards,
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Hi Bruno, I just found out this while preparing to fly to HUMA but when i set time to 16:20 GMT, the time i got was evening/night. Is this right? dont think i'll get good visibility at night...
LEG 5:
Flight EHM-C885 from Entebbe Intl (HUEN) to Mbarara (HUMA).
Range: 127 nm.
Flight Date: From 14th Nov to 16th Nov.
Departure: 16:20 GMT.
Crew: 170 lbs.
Loadmasters: 0 lbs.
Total Pallet weight: 12.100 lbs (15 UNHCR members).
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Sorry, you're right.
It's corrected now ... Regards and thank you.
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Just missed one day yesterday and realised that there is almost no slack in this event at all :( I now have to make a flight a day until the 22nd November and there has to be 24hrs between flights on Pro-Pilot ... surely this, with take-off time makes the turn arounds impossible. It's 6.30pm now... so, say I put in a one hour flight... tomorrows can't go before 7.30pm and therefore by the time I come towards the end of the event I won't be able to meet the 24hr rule and make the flights.
Apart from anything, the likelihood of me managing to free an evening for flight every day for 2 wks is slim. Very concerned I (and I guess others like me) may drop out of this part way through which is a shame when we see how much work has gone into the preparation of the event. Never mind ... tonight's flight is reserved ... will try to get this short third leg flown this evening.
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Phil, you can make back-to-back PP flights as long as you are taking off from where you just landed (I just did, in fact) Only thing you might need to do is close the FLogger once you complete the first flight, go onto the PP site and lock the second flight, then start the FLogger again so it notices the new lock. I'm all caught up now (at HUMA, lovely vis approach, just keep the approach speed low - 130 with full flaps, max autobrakes, and reversers as soon as the main gear is on the deck) and get to have a slack day tomorrow ;)
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Hi my friends,
I just wanna tell you that after Mabarara, the worst part has passed.
From now on you just have (if my mind doesn't play tricks) one more visual landing at a soft aerodrome later. The rest is to international/very popular airports ;)
Regards and congratulations for being until here! Definately this is the most difficult event ever!
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Yay!!! I love this event but in all honesty the grass runways are killers ;) I think the hardest part about landing on grass runways is that they are not clearly visible from the air. When I landed today at HUMA I was not able to see the airport until I was 3 miles from it!! Of course, I had to make a go around.
This has been a wonderful event so far, I've flown over some of the most beautiful countryside I've ever seen in FS. Middle East, here I come...
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Wow....just landed successfuly on that bloody grass of HRYU-after going arround three times. This airport's approach is really tricky.
Bruno. I don't know what should be wrong, but I got some penalties for my last two flights for some unknown reason, since I am 100% sure I didn't make a mistake I am accussed for., let say: no beacon on and engines started and similar.
Peter
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Hi,
The beacon lights problem normally is related with you use the "auto-start engines" mode (CTRL+E).
To avoid it do the following thing:
With your cold and dark panel do:
1. Turn on all the generators.
2. Turn on all the lights except the LAND one.
3. Start MANUALLY the engines by clicking-and-hold on every engine until the N2 fires up (select EI2 on the right PFD for this).
This way I can assure you don't get beacon penalties. If you start with CTRL+E then you get it somehow ...
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Err, Bruno, you might want to check the other legs too...
LEG 6:
Flight EHM-C886 from Mbarara (HUMA) to Kisumu (HKKI).
Range: 275 nm.
Flight Date: From 15th Nov to 17th Nov.
Departure: 21:50 GMT.
Crew: 170 lbs.
Loadmasters: 0 lbs.
Total Pallet weight: 12.100 lbs (15 UNHCR members).
and some other legs too:%
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Hi. another victim....eheheheh
I crashed on final approach rwy 14 at HKNW (leg 7)....
I was too low and there is a tree near the beginning of the rwy.....and i was thinking....if i pass inside the tree,will Propilot remark that as a crash?.....eheheheheh...now i know the answer.....it is yes..........CRASH.
When i sent the crash report....i received an error ( duplicate key 1234)....i don't know what this means....
Now i must wait to see if i can continue the event after the suspension days....
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Something is not right, because i'm not able to send this crash report.
I tried 4 times and when i confirm to send, i see this line:
"Duplicate entry '32767' for key 1"
After this, each time i enter in ProPilot Division, i'm advised to send the crash report.
So i think the report is not going his way out......
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@Javier: Nope, that leg is to be made by night ;D
@Luis: Solved out. We had send that number of emails on the system :) .. And the variable that identifies that quantity reached to his maximum.
Regards,
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rgr that, mr president! ;D:]\
That will put our skills to the test!;D
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Originally posted by EHM-0948 Bruno
Hi,
The beacon lights problem normally is related with you use the "auto-start engines" mode (CTRL+E).
To avoid it do the following thing:
With your cold and dark panel do:
1. Turn on all the generators.
2. Turn on all the lights except the LAND one.
3. Start MANUALLY the engines by clicking-and-hold on every engine until the N2 fires up (select EI2 on the right PFD for this).
This way I can assure you don't get beacon penalties. If you start with CTRL+E then you get it somehow ...
hi bruno/peter,
i had this problem when i did my first pro pilot flight and the simplest suggestion to fix it is as follows:
when parked at the gate with engines and lights off - just press the 'L' button on your keyboard this will turn on all lights including beacons and then continue to press CTRL+E to start your engines - you should get no error message for beacon lights not being turned on.
It worked for me so hope it helps ;D
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Another trick that might do it is to start Flightlogger and selesct PP after you have started you engines and turned on the correct lights.
But I don't think this goes under the term: "correct procedure"
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Gentlemen, I had the unfortunate luck of crashing my aircraft shortly after take off from Nairobi Wilson. What happens now? Do I have to stop the tour or do I take up another aircraft?
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Ben,
Send your crash report and I will look in to it....
Is this your first crash of the event? Bruno has said there will be one spare plane for each pilot on the event so if you have not used that one, you have another life! ;)
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Bruno.
I have tried quite a few tricks to start engines on C 17. But manually it simply doesn't work. Any idea? Starting automatic proces and with beacon light on and parking brakes on, it works fine and no penalties.
Peter
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how often are events like this run as I missed this and it sounds great ;)
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Well, hopefully the next one will be quite soon.... There will be just time to catch your breath before starting again! ;)
To All Pilots on the event....
Take great care at Nairobi Wilson. (HKNW) The airport is in what can only be described as a crater! Getting in and out takes a great deal of skill especially if you are carrying any additional weight. (and especially at night!) Please note the pallet weight for the next leg (8) has been revised to allow a little more room for error!
Good luck!
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Ben,
You have a new spare airplane. Tail id is HB-AGA.
Like the cat, you have spent all your lifes ;) ..
Regards,
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Egads!! I should not have flown tonight. I had a bad day at work and my mind must be elsewhere because I obviously can't pilot worth a dang tonight. I took off from Wilson and promptly stalled my aircraft after hitting the wrong button on my autopilot. I was able to recover quickly but exceeded the Vspeed limits avoiding the ground. Once I thought things were sorted out, I relaxed for cruise. Pitot icing resulted in an overspeed penalty next. To top things off, I accidently hit the "L" key and got a penalty for engines started with no beacon light.I may set a record for the number of penalties in one flight:%
Ever have one of these days? :D
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Yup!
Too low terrain, push down....
I'm making one crazy and interest landing.
First touch nose gear, not main gear and aotospoillers too lattest activizated.
http://ehm1417.extra.hu/landing_nairobi.rar
cheers
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Okay, I feel a little better.:) Scary landing, but you held it together! :oI think my landing was the only thing that went right on my flight. Thanks for sharing that, Tamas !
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I managed to get in and out of the airport with non problems;D On the leg from HKNW, once reaching cruise altitude, i also had my pitot tube iced up, luckily, i remember the other thread in the forums about the use of it (thanks!, if not i'd be relying on GS;))and a minute after arming pitot heat, my Speed indicator worked again! :]
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Originally posted by EHM-0948 Bruno
Ben,
You have a new spare airplane. Tail id is HB-AGA.
Like the cat, you have spent all your lifes ;) ..
Regards,
Thanks Bruno, the pressure is on ;D Thanks Phil, too!
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@ Peter - to start C-17 engines manually, Try like this
1 - CTRL+SHIFT+F4
2 - Start Engine 1 until it fires up
3 - Generator 1 on
4 - And so on with all the others engines
@Christian - i'm not sure,but maybe i stole your plane at HKKI. I informed our President about this situation.
I crashed at HKNW as i reported here in this forum and because of a software viriable problem, i was not able to send the crash report.
The day after the crash i went in Propilot and i saw a not reserved plane at HKKI (the line was on white color, without pilot id) and i locked this plane and did the leg HKKI-HKNW.
Later i went to see this plane history......and i'm affraid this is your aircraft. Excuse me Christian and i hope Bruno found a solution for this.
I'm not sure if i stole your aircraft or not, because you didn't complain about that yet and the aircraft line was in white color, without pilot id.
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argh, Nairobi Wilson is a difficult one! I very nearly crashed, and my cat would be dead by now, so everyone who is still at Wilson, take great care, and take off towards the sea. Don't make the mistake I did!
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@Luis: It appear thatit was my plane but i can sort of blame myself, since i didn't lock the plane after i arrived at HKKI.
I thinnk Bruno can resolve the situation, so no hard feelings:s
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Whaddya all talking about? I've landed once on runway 7, and taken off out of runway 7 (the shorter one towards the buildings) into a 2kt headwind with the original higher payload three times now! Only problem is PC keeps crashing enroute! Attempting it again now...
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Bruno.
I need an urgent help. During the flight to HAAB, some 73 Nm from the destination, just when I started initial descent, I faced a serious problems with my PC and lost the controls, then PC simply crashed. After some ten restarting I succedded and restarted FS. All was done properly, but I couldn't restore the last flight, so please, try to return unlocked flight C889 to Pro pilot, since I didn't crash the aircraft. I have no idea what happened to my PC.
Peter
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Okay, I am all ears. How do you depart HKLG properly? I did everything I normally do on a short field departure. Flaps 50%, aircraft all the way back on the runway, adequate fuel only, released brakes, accelerate to 120kts, rotate. I crashed in Propilot and have gone back and attempted on my own and I keep hitting brush at the departure end of the runway right as I am leaving the ground.
Also, the runway is only a little over 3900 foot and dirt but the text for the event says both airports are very good. Is that a typo or do we consider a 3900 ft dirt runway very good?;D Seems pretty short considering the aircraft. I'm generally pretty decent at landing and I ate up every bit of the runway landing last night so I was worried about departure this morning.
All that said, I am having a blast with the event and I appreciate that we get two aircraft this time around. This is easily the most challenging flying I have ever done. I have filed my crash report and humbly await my new chariot. In all seriousness, if anyone has further advise on how I can get off the runway at HKLG, please pass it along as I would hate to be stuck this far along in the event. TIA
*EDIT* I think I have it figured out. If I aim between the two bushes at the end of the runway, it gives me a little extra room and I am able to get off the ground fine. Wow, this is a tough one!! Now I have to figure out how to do that in the dark.
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Hi,
I departed nicely without any problems from runway 25 if I am not in mistake ... Take a look at the new payload for that leg please on the events page. Also, don't bring much fuel .. i think 30% is enough (I got 60!).
@Peter: You have a new reserved airplane with tail id HB-AGB. Safe flights!
Regards,
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@Christian: Hi mate, I just delayed the leg C887 for you until tomorrow. Also, you have a airplane tail id HB-AGC. Please do the next flights quickly to gain time.
Also, next time please ask me to reserve the airplane for you so no one can steal your airplane ;) ..
Regards,
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Thanks Bruno for this good news. I was so mad that this happened to me, but I am affraid that my PC might be infected by virus. So PC will be tested on Monday morning about that problem.
Luis! Thanks. Your advice works perfectly.
Peter
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Bruno, sorry, but I faced another problem. I can't lock the flight, because I am still under suspension. What to do to continue?
Peter
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Originally posted by EHM-1998 Steven
if anyone has further advise on how I can get off the runway at HKLG, please pass it along as I would hate to be stuck this far along in the event. TIA
I have some advice!;D If you want to cut away a bit of realism, pushback, hit full power and release parking brake. when engines reach max power, release pushback.
Or, you can always add more flaps!;D
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Originally posted by EHM-1821 Javier
Originally posted by EHM-1998 Steven
if anyone has further advise on how I can get off the runway at HKLG, please pass it along as I would hate to be stuck this far along in the event. TIA
I have some advice!;D If you want to cut away a bit of realism, pushback, hit full power and release parking brake. when engines reach max power, release pushback.
Or, you can always add more flaps!;D
Sounds a bit like a slingshot without the rubber band! Does this actually work?! On grass runways I put flaps at 1/4 and make a standing start (increase engines to N1 90, and then release the brakes). That works, for sure...
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Thanks for the hints. I think I've done about 10 departures from HKLG now! ;D Once I get my new plane, I should be fine. Thanks !!
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Dropped out along the way...
Sorry to report I had to drop out early on this Pro-Pilot event. Got to Wednesday and ended up at a late evening meeting and having made a flight Tuesday it's always considered a little too much virtual life if I make my only time in the family house a virtual flying experience. For the sake of home harmony I had to miss Wednesday and consequently slip from the schedule :) Always a shame to admit defeat but the tight schedule on this one was too much for this virtual pilot. Thanks to those who took time out to organise the event and sorry to drop out so soon.
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Phil, i know exactly waht you mean - the schedule for this event is just too unfriendly for those with famillys and other things to do with their lives. I wonder if for the next event we should have a start and finish date and it is then up to the individual to complete the flights with in the time?? I must also say though that i have found you can still fly the flights even if you are a day or 2 late on the schedule. Am just managing to keep on schedule with this event but only because i have had a few days off work this week.
Good luck to all still flying this event, Jim
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Well, I must admit guys, I must take the blame for the fast pace somewhat as I voted to "Hurry up" the event to give us enough time to recover and get ready for the next one! ;)
(I am not saying enything else about it so do not ask!!!!)
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And for anyone else that fecked up the timing, I've extended C888 to today because of real-world stuff yesterday preventing my flying (PhilN, sorry for not replying to your IM, but I didn't see it until quite late in the day...)
[strike]I'm flying it now, and I'm going to fly C889 straight after - offlining to avoid anything getting in the way of me completing.[/strike]
That's it, I'm giving up on the event. I can't get my CDU to run reliably, FS is running like a dog, and to add fuel to the fire, I think one of my 512MB sticks is starting to die. Time to format and reinstall I think.
Best of luck to those of you still in it.
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Any chance the last day will get extended any? I just found out that I have to go out of town tomorrow and won't be back until the 25th or possibly the 26th at the latest. I can do leg 12 before I head out tomorrow, but I won't have access to FS until Saturday. I'm flying leg 11 now. If it doesn't happen for some reason, I'm sure I will survive but I'll be a bit bummed at getting so close. I've learned a lot from this event and that counts for a lot. I appreciate all the work that went into it.
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Well,
Unfortunately I can't do anything mate. It's not fair because other pilots also asked me on the past to extend some of the legs date and I denied it.
I am very sorry Steven but I am sure you'll do your best to complete it, even if you have to do the flight at 3am ! :)
I hope you understand it Steven, because it's very hard to me to say "no", but it's to be fair to the others too.
Regards,
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No apology required, Bruno. I was just wondering out loud mostly. I would never ask special consideration so I was just curious if it might be extended for other reasons. Of course, I will complete it if at all possible. Even if it requires a 3am flight! If I can't, there will be other events and I will fly them. :)
Hmm..wonder if my father would let me install FS9 on his computer just for a few days? Gotta think outside of the box sometimes. ;D I think I may have found my solution if I can keep his 28.8 connection going for the flight.
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Sorry for the rant that is about to follow but i am a bit pissed off.....have busted my arse to get these event flights done on schedule what with family life, work, friends etc and had been on track until the weekend when i had to work night shifts. Thus am one day late for the leg 9 flight and now have to abandon the tour - what a waste of time me starting it - if next schedules are as tight then i guess i'll not even bother starting it. I note that Murray extended the dead line for one of the legs he was late on - if only we could all do that.
Sorry to rant but just really pissed off.
Jim
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Well,
Actually he did extended it because he didn't knew that he couldn't do it.
So after he noticed it, the deadline was not extended and he (as you can say in his email) quitted.
Imagine that everyone one of us starts asking the MT to extend dates because our personal problems. Than there wouldn't be no pleasure to get to the end of the event and see that we actually made a strong effort to end it.
I can't do anything here Jim, because the Event rules don't permit, except of MT errors (there was one on this event and I delayed one leg because a pilot stole one airplane due to my mistake) so I would like you to understand our answer about it.
Regards,
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I have the same problem but at least i was able to do the flight within the time, I did C890 before i left for camp and im gonna do C891 now after coming back from camp(im at home, sweet home;D)
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Bruno, i completely under stand that you cant make any exceptions...it's the first time in over 2 years being with Euroharmony that i have felt let down by the VA...why make such a great pro-pilot event that only a select few will be able to complete? Surely the great thing about this VA has been it's appeal to a wide cross section of society and that includes those of us with famillys, work etc I just feel that the schedule of this tour has meant alot of people who would have loved to have done it are not able to which i think is a shame.
Jim
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I am the first person to complete the event, so I have seen how the whole event has gone, how people have reacted with the timings etc. and I can say personally, that this event has been a success, and I'm sure many would agree with me, but I am lucky enough to have the time to do this event. I wouldn't have had the time really, but amazingly, I managed to squeeze in the last leg somehow, and complete it, but, I wouldn't have done that if the times were different for me, so I would've also asked for a little extension. I agree with Jim on this. I understand you can't make any exceptions, and that's fair enough, but the last leg is in the week, and I'd assume people would have trouble with it. I did too, so could you extend it into the weekend? I'd guess we wouldn't complain if we had the weekend on our side.
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After reading your posts definately it makes more sense now that the final leg could be delayed a bit.
But only because there is a specific reason that can benefict all pilots and not only because someone needs it because of his/her personal problems ok ?
The reason for it is that it's a very long leg and still we have the weekend on our side there. So, I had extended the leg until sunday so everyone can do it with more time and relax ...
Regards and I hope you understand the difference between what I said there. It's not a personal question (although it solves Jim problem) but a problem that will help all pilots.
Jim, regarding the VA has stepped you down, before saying it, please think that we need to manage rules for all pilots, and when we open exceptions it's kind'a complex to justify why we had open it when on the past we didn't opened it for other pilots. That's why rules are for :)
You can always count with us but remember that we cannot benefict ones instead of others.
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Originally posted by EHM-0948 BrunoJim, regarding the VA has stepped you down, before saying it, please think that we need to manage rules for all pilots, and when we open exceptions it's kind'a complex to justify why we had open it when on the past we didn't opened it for other pilots. That's why rules are for :)
You can always count with us but remember that we cannot benefict ones instead of others.
But Bruno, he's not the only who has had problems fitting in these flights.
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Of course not and I know that :) ... That's why I got tempted to change the end date ;)
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Ooo ... went to work for a few days and came back to find my post seemed to have started something.
For what its worth here's my synopsis and I speak only for myself:
- I am ever grateful for the hard work that all MT do to keep this VA interesting and exciting.
- I acknowledge that the work involved in bringing the UNHCR event into being is substantial.
- It seems crazy that all this hard work would be done for such a 'small' number of participants and smaller number of completions.
- The VA exists to make the 'hobby' of flight simulation more engaging ... but it is a hobby. Many of us including MT have a life outside of the hobby that places demands on our time whether it be work, family or a combination of both.
- The previous event 'US Airmail Pioneers' had a demanding schedule. There was about three days for each flight to be made. This was demanding but just about possible. This UNHCR event had a schedule that made a daily flight necessary and this is an impossible schedule for many of the VA members.
I don't know what the goal of the events are but I would expect that they include encouraging participation of members and providing an engaging experience. If I'm honest, despite the hardwork in preparation of this event, if the above were part of the goals then it failed to reach these goals. The participation of members was a few diehards with clearly the advantage of being able to put their hobby before other parts of their life. The engaging experience also falls down when (and I know I'm speaking for myself here) the participation becomes stressful and not a relaxing and enjoyable experience. In this case, the flights I did make at the start of the event were poorly planned because with such a tight schedule I didn't have the luxury of making practise flights or of trying to provide a realistic flight plan.
Shame really ... not a rant ... not even a moan, just an observation of how this event looked and felt from my own perspective.
I would be grateful if the voices commenting here could be acknowledged and if future events which must take many hours of organisation would provide a more relaxed time schedule and encourage therefore greater take up and be more successful in making the event an enhancement to our great hobby.
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Indeed, I agree entirely with what Philip says. Although I have the ability (since I'm not exam leave) to fly each event daily, I find that the little voice in the back of my mind saying 'fly the leg today or you'll fall behind' makes the event a little more stressful. I certainly do appreciate the work going into this tour, but I think the US Airmail Pioneers event (which gave us three days to complete each leg before moving on) was a better idea. Although, keeping that in mind, it did take us a couple of months to complete the tour!
I am impartial, I will follow through with what the management decides in the forthcoming events and, if for any reason, I can't complete any future events then I will simply drop out, sometimes that's just the way it goes.
Will there be an avatar badge for this event, just like the Airmail Pioneers Event?
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Originally posted by EHM-1671 Ben
...Although, keeping that in mind, it did take us a couple of months to complete the tour!
Which was the big problem we had with the timing for this event, there was no way to stage this event and (I'm not about to spill any of the beans)... just like PhilN ;)
Suffice to say, expect news...
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Well guys,
This is only the third ProPilot event and the previous ones had similar but not as demanding schedules..... Understood.... We take your points and will consider this on future events. This one is done now, we can't change it!
Before we move on, I would like to emphasise here is that this event is a challenge with a reward at the end. (albeit a badge on your avatar!) It is not expected that everybody can/will make it to the end!
Now I know I am adding fuel to the fire by saying this as most are going to say that the challenge was too great for the majority of the Pilots. We will see at the end when the badges are handed out. I think it comes down to a matter of commitment in "most" cases as only 1 or 2 of the flights have been longer than 1 hour and most have been about 45 minutes. For those whose RW lives are too busy to allow you the time to do the event, I am very sorry, we had no choice this time.
The legs have been added at a fast pace on this event, but you still have three days to complete each flight, so you could do as some including myself have done and on days where we do not have time, we store the legs until we are about to run out of time and fly for a couple of hours and complete three legs at once!
Once again, for those who have found the event too much of a burden due to the time constraints, I appologise, you have made your point, we will adress this in future events.
For those that rose to the challenge and have or are about to complete it.... Well done, you get a well deserved pat on the back! There are many people on the continent of Africa that wish you could have done it for real!
Regards
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This was a great event with a great purpose to it, thank you very much for organizing it ;)
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Amen, and congratulations once again to those who did complete the event, especially to those who didn't need the reserve aeroplane. Myself, I was forced to withdraw for the event due to techincal difficulties. My CPU is running hot and tends to hit the BIOS power off temperature after about forty-five minutes under load. Probably full of dust again, having new windows fitted didn't help with all the brick dust. I will clean the heatsink out properly once the weekend rolls around (might even lap it if i get the time) but it is certainly overdue a cleaning.
I found that the time schedule was alright, although I am a schoolkid and have a couple of hours a day (most of the week) for flying. I can see the point people are making though - three non-overlapping days per leg sounds more reasonable.
I am sure that after the problems we have had with PP events in the beginning are ironed out, they will become a good part of our events portfolio and we will enjoy sucessful events into the future. The key seems to be having plenty of aircraft locked specifically to pilots and a realistic but flexible time schedule (i.e. three consecutive days, non-overlapping).
I hope that these events will become more sucessful into the future - I certainly will be joining in with the next one.
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Finnaly OLBA. Rw 03: C- 17 UNHCR EHM 0471 just landed!!!
My greatest thanks to all our guys who worked very hard I believe, to prepare and get ready for us such a nice, interesting and challenging event as this one was. BRAVISSIMO!!!
And this should also be a serious challenge to all other EHM pilots to join us next time. Come and see, it's simply gorgeous!
Peter ;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D
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Hi mates,
Just to add my two cents we understand the point of view that says that we should have given a more delayed date interval to do the flights.
But one strong reason was also related with the fact that the next event starts at 5th January so if we expanded it for, let's say 4 days, the event would end almost on the end of the year.
Also, the date intervals are very connected to the period that the real event happens. For instance, the next event would have a date interval of two days, because if not the event becomes "unreal".
I readt what "EHM-1199 Philip" said, and logically the events were created to give fun, but a special fun that has the stress word on it because that's one of the objectives. For instance, to know that you cannot crash your airplane, to know that you need to fly on those periods of time, to know that if you fullfill all of this you'll be much more happy than if the rules weren't there.
If you still want to have fun like some of you said without some rules (or more soften rules), than you should not do the event and do other "events" that we have like Tours or Missions that doesn't have those strict rules on it :).
I think we need to rememeber the purpose of the Events. And the purpose of them are to provide the most close conditions to real event conditions and to provide you a spectacular adrenalin to do it. Unfortunately we would have to do some sacrificies to end it but that's all part of the game! :)
I can give you me and Philip's (CEO) example: We got some days that we were flying together on IVAO at 2am to end the event. And we have our real life commitments at 8am :) ... That's the kind of the sacrifice that sometimes, if we want to end it we need to do.
Regards and I hope you understand that if we change the rules of the Events, than they will become more like a "Tour" one that a feature that completely differs from all the others that we have.
Regards (again) ;D
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I agree totally with Phils (Rolt) points.
I didn't want an exception made for me, i was only saying that i thought the schedule was too tight for many of us.
Finally, as for what Phil Nutt said - i am a bit offended that you should suggest we lack commitment - as you will notice i have been an active member of this VA for over 2 years, have done many tours, have many hours and have completed previous PP events so please don't patronise me by implying a lack commitment to the VA.
Does my familly time and work come before my hobby of flight sim?? of course it does and i'm gald it does - does that mean i should be excluded from events - i hope not but if that is the way the Management view things then i am disappointed.....
Any way, i thought the event was great in it's idea and set up and must commend those involved - just shame about the tight schedule.
Jim
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Hi Jim,
I am not saying you should be excluded. I am saying that the rules for the Event are different from the ones for the other features that we have on our VA.
So, what I mean is that if we don't have time for the deadlines that we give on the flights, than we cannot do the event. Just that.
To see the difference, we don't have deadlines for other features on the site like the tours so we can do them and finish them when we want to.
So, when we start an event we should think if we will get time to finish it or not. Just that. Don't take indirect conclusions from my words (or Philip's CEO words) please.
The commitment that Philip (CEO) said is regarding to the fact that we all should spare and gain some of our occupied time to free time, so we can actually finish the event. If not, you'll actually end like me and Phil that just got free time at 2am ;D
Regarding the too tight schedules, Phil already said that we will take that in count for the next events. But! We will not delay the deadlines if that would apply the event to be unrealistic.
Regards,
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Well, to be fair, I don't know what's wrong with making the event last a long time. I don't really think it matters if it'll end at the end of the year. I think that a Fun, relaxing long event would be alot better than a stressful fast one.
When I say this, I do not mean to imply that this event was a stressful fast event, as people can spread out what times they do the legs, so I'd say that this event was good timewise, but we shouldn't make it any smaller than what we've got now, if anything, we should make it a bit longer.
I completely agree with both phils.
I never actually said how great this was though. I've been saying alot of negative things, but really, how many VA's have such a caring MT that would even put the trouble into making events like these? Our MT may have made a little mistake while making the timings, but they LISTEN to what we say, and I'm sure they're happy to help!
Thanks MT for organizing this event, Thanks to the pilots who put the commitment into doing this event, even if they unfortunately couldn't make it to the end!
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Jim,
If you took offense at my comments, I appologise, it was never my intention to offend you or any other member of the airline.
My comments were made to point out (as Bruno said far better than I did) that to complete a "ProPilot" event you need to be commited to the event. Now maybe my wording was incorrect or maybe I spoke out of term, but I certainly never meant to say that you or anybody else is not commited enough to be a part of the airline!
So for my part I sincerely appologise for offending you. As in my previous post, everyones comments and concerns will be taken on board and where possible addressed in the next event.
Again, I can only appologise for failing to live up to everyones expectations on this event. As I have said previously and as Bruno has pointed out, we had a choice, delay the event altogether until next year or to run it at a fast pace to get it completed in time for the next event that will mirror a real world situation and is time critical. I pushed for the event to be rushed so as not to dissapoint those that had been looking forward to an event since the end of the Airmail Pioneers. I can only appologise to those that disagree with that decision but I would like to appologise mostly to Bruno who put a massive amount of effort in to bringing this event to life only for it not to have the effect it deserved due to the rushed timeframe.
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Originally posted by EHM-1703 Philip
Again, I can only appologise for failing to live up to everyones expectations on this event. As I have said previously and as Bruno has pointed out, we had a choice, delay the event altogether until next year or to run it at a fast pace to get it completed in time for the next event that will mirror a real world situation and is time critical. I pushed for the event to be rushed so as not to dissapoint those that had been looking forward to an event since the end of the Airmail Pioneers. I can only appologise to those that disagree with that decision but I would like to appologise mostly to Bruno who put a massive amount of effort in to bringing this event to life only for it not to have the effect it deserved due to the rushed timeframe.
having not participated in the event and reading everyones comments throughout i certainly do not think you've failed to live up to peoples expectations on this event Phil - in fact everyone who has done it has expressed their enjoyment and delight with the actual idea and those who completed it have also commended you and the MT on the event! ;) - some have had problems with the timing issue and out of innocent frustration have expressed that but we all learn from these things and i'm sure the MT will have that sorted in future events! ;D
Looking from the 'outside in ' i only wish i could have done it - it looked like a great event that i'm sure i would have enjoyed. After all we all need a 'challenge' in life dont we?? :8
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I finished the event and here is my opinion.
I have some troubles, but i think troubles are part of a event like this. My problems started just before the event.
1 - I crashed a aircraft 2 hours before the starting event time.
2 - The C-17 is a very special aircraft. Sometimes dificult to do a correct landing, another times difficult to do a clean take off.
3- Some of the airfields are really difficult. Some are very short or we only have visual contact with them when we are just arriving the rwy.
4 - Crashed my event aircraft at HKNW (Wilson).This was my fault, no excuses....i wanted landing passing through a tree near the rwy.
5 - As an excited child I did not take the due attentions( spare aircraft, etc) and i stole an aircraft. (Shame on me....Christian)
6- When i started the event, i was 10º in Propilot Ranking. When i finished i was 15º.
7 - Penalities - beacon lights, crash and max allowed factor at Beirut.
Summarizing, for me this was the most challenging event, more then the ivao (vfr or ifr) world tour.
Congratulations for all that had organized a so special and challenging event. Thank you and continue the good work
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ok, I've got a few more things to say:
@Luis: Sorry to hear you had all these problems. It was indeed a very difficult event, and I very nearly crashed my second plane at Nairobi Wilson too.
@Phil: I understand completely what you're saying, but I think the way "commitment" was put, it could be taken in alot of different ways, and just to help Phil with what I think he meant is that you need to know before you do the event, whether you'll manage it or not. It's got nothing to do with "If your a bad pilot, and doesn't do much for EHM, don't do it" it's more like "will I be able to do x leg on date x" I hope I've made this clearer.
@Jim: I can understand too why you're frustrated, but I think this argument is making a mountain out of a molehill. If you can't manage to do all the legs, we're not going to say something like "Your hobby is alot more important then your family. You're not good enough". Like I said, the way phil put it can be taken in many ways, and Phil wasn't attacking you, if anything, trying to help.
It feels good to be neutral!;D
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ufff ...
The event is over for me ... At 00:32 in the night, the HB-AFT (came from the first leg!) landed smoothly on the rwy 03 at Beirut ..
No time to rest. I just need to start preparing the next Event ;)
Regards,
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and I'm uff talking. :-)
I'm used last four leg FS Passengers.
Passenger Opinion: Exceptional flight (100%)
-Were highly entertained by the movie.
-Were in a better mood because they had food.
-Were pleased by the music on ground. A very nice addition to their flying experience.
-Were anxious because they had flown over a war risk zone.
Pilot Bonus points: 442 points
•You made a very nice landing. (+50)
•Perfect Flight, no problems and very satisfied passengers. (+150)
•You landed at the scheduled airport. (+30)
•Long flight (03h15) without using time acceleration, without any problems and with satisfied passengers. (+162)
•Flying in a dangerous area and a safe landing. (+50)
Previous Leg report: (Berbera to Sanaa flight trip, Atack Yemen Terrorist my Plane)
Incident Report:One engine was damaged by small arms fire coming from the ground and ceased to function. The right fuel tank was hit by a ground shot and started leaking fuel. There was an exceptional pilot on board and despite the dire situation he was able to land the aircraft safely. The Captain has also declared an emergency before landing.
Engine change and fuel tank repairing cost 9.7 million dollar. Flight trip incomming payment 8.9 Mill $ (Final Leg Income 24.5 Million$)
Thank You nice Event from Dark continent and hope near future donate UNHCR small money.
Near future making impressive movie film.
good night.
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I just completed the Event, waiting for my award;D;D;D
I managed to complete it with one aircraft (Ben and Matt, beat that!;);D)
Great Event, Thanks to the MT for organising it!!
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Wow!! I see alot has happened since my last flight. Well I know the event has ended and I still have 3 flights left.
Because of rw reasons I could finish in time. However, since I can still make the flight using the flight logger i will finish it today/tonight/tomorrow (if I need that time)!!
Eventhough I couldn't finish within the time limit I still enjoyed it. And all that rain made it even better! ;D
Keep up the good work gents. And i will ensure I'm ready for the next one!!!
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Hi,
The event is officialy closed today.
The MT team gives congratulations to all of the pilots that ended it, and to all the others that didn't finished but were trying!
The pilots that made the last flight were:
1883 Matt Haywood
1442 Luis Nunes
471 Peter Hribar
1671 Ben Contreras
1829 Trevor Bolton
1703 Philip Nutt
948 Bruno Falcão
1417 Tamas Biro
1821 Javier Goh
1465 Dominic Mahon
1452 Henk Wolsink
1922 Ricardo Pedrosa
1710 Khalil Syed
(also, this information still needs to be double checked)
But the most important part is to call you to one of the worst problems that we have on our real lifes: Minimum health conditions for african people. All days there are thousands of children that die because they don't have the minimum food at their homes, and maybe, even if we don't solve the problem, we can actually help.
So, you can really finish this event by making your last action here: http://www.unhcr.org/donate/
Regards and congratulations one more time!
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Congratulations to everyone paticepating in the event;D
It never seems I'm to be able finsh a event:8
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Well done everybody who did finish ... hope the final few flights were as engaging as the first few.
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Hi,
The awards had been given! Also the avatars are updated.
Congratulations to all of you!
Regards,
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Awesome! They look great! Congratulations to everyone who completed the event ;D;)
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Cool!!! Looks great!! congrats to everyone too! ;D;D;D
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Hi, maybe these are late, basic and dummy questions, sorry for that.
I'm just learning about these ProPilot events and I wonder if there is a limit time for doing it, f.e. Can anyone do the "US Airmail Pioneers" event at this time?, the other question is is it required to have the rank to fly the aircraft used for the event?.Thanks.
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Hi Carlos! The US Airmail Pioneers Event ended earlier this year and it is no longer possible to fly it. However, in a usual event you are able to fly the event regardless of rank. Hope it helps!
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It does help, good to know, thanks Ben.
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Hi Carlos,
The next event is already being prepared ;) ... The next week will bring news to all the pilots! ;D