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Archive => EuroHarmony VA => Old Forum => Ask EuroHarmony => Topic started by: EHM-1001 Robert on April 01, 2006, 01:50:30 pm
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Dear pilots,
lets discuss here anything important about the 2nd ProPilot event: the US Airmail Tour. Check the EVENTS page for information. The page is continously updated during the next few days.
The tour starts next monday (10th April) As it is a ProPilot event, you need to lock an airplane for the flight. Some days before the start, we will load up enough planes at the starting airport, so you can lock them for flight. Please register here on this page, if you are willing to participate in the event, so we can know how many airplanes needed to add to the system.
Pilots are allowed to fly with the FS2004 default DC-3 Dakota, painted in EHM colors a little later, and MAAM payware DC-3 Dakota also painted a little later. FS2002 users can fly the MAAM payware plane, or the Class1 Beech-1900D. Also FS2004 users if not familiar with the Dakota, they can use the Beech as well on the tour.
Thank you in advance, and see you in the American sky !
EuroHarmony MT.
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I myself will join the tour too, with a FS-2004 DC-3 Dakota.
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DC-3 for me too please Robert. (MAAM in my case, but PP doesn't know/care about that)
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i will join too, DC-3 normal FS please for me, unless i get the payware one!
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I'm gonna take a default 2004 DC3 on this little trip! Can't wait, well done Robert and also to all involved!
Better start practising if this is on PP! The DC3 can be quite a handfull!
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If this is on PP does this mean the flights have to be done on a specific day? Also, if I'm halfway through another tour can I join this event or no?
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You may fly other flights (like EuroHarmony, EuroCargo) between the tour legs. For example, you fly EHM-A503, then EHM-2703, EHM-E105 and then EHM-A504.
this might answer your question;D
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the second sentence was not supposed to be quoted;D
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Philip:
You have a date range to to each flight.
You can do the tour while doing other PP flights.
IMPORTANT NOTICE:
After you finish a flight, lock the your airplane IMMEDIATELY to avoid confusions.
Regards,
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I will be doing this flight in the DC-3.
Flying to Reno!
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Prepare your skills lads, the DC-3 is a nasty one when you want to manouver on ground ;D
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Differential braking is your friend...
If you've got a CH yoke, set the two "trigger" buttons up.
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Count me in....default DC-3 for me please..
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To have more fun, we can make the starting leg together as a small fly-in. ;) Of course, as much as you can join.
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This is the first time i am participating in an event so i am not familiar with some things. Do i have to do this online and on PP or just PP?
If it is on PP without online,i'll go practice my DC-3 flying skills on the FS2004 deufault DC-3;D
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Javier,
This is a ProPilot thing, not (necessarily) an online thing :)
If you want to fly the event online in PP, that's great and I applaud your "M4d 5k1llz" (;D), if you want to fly it offline, that'll also be great! At the end of the day, it's the "taking part" that's the really important bit...
For myself, it'll shock some of you to learn that I'll be trying to fly the whole event online (in ProPilot of course, and with FSP in "cargo" mode)... I've been practicing offline for over a week (a benefit of being on the MT, I've known the route for a while...) with the MAAM DC3, tweeking my control setup for this venerable bird, and I've got to down now. I was taking-off and landing in 30kts cross-winds yesterday without a problem. I can even taxi it quite well, with only the occasional trek onto the grass.
EDIT: Douglas DC-3 isn't in the FLogger (yet). Will it appear in an near future update?
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Woohoo, an EHM even that doesn't have to be online! I seriuosly need to get my online stuff working, but for now this is the best I can do.
Anyway, count me in. I'll have a DC-3 just like everyone else. I won't be seeing you in the skies, but good luck to everyone who flies online and have a good flight!
Just had a look at the legs, and it looks like quite a challenge even on ProPilot. My hat off to you guys who are flying it online!
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Liking the sound of this ... I'll have the default DC3 too please. BTW I had in my head that Prop Pilot flights had to be flown online. Am I wrong in this and can they be flown offline now too?
Ignore that last question ... I've just spent an interesting 30 minutes browsing all the PP posts and found one from bruno that answers the question.
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I will be doing this event in the DC-3.
Thank you
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Registration so far:
for DC-3 Dakota:
EHM-0654 Murray Crane
EHM-1001 Robert Szikszo
EHM-1199 Philip Rolt
EHM-1358 Timothy Berry
EHM-1442 Luis Nunes
EHM-1500 Jim Hoyle
EHM-1703 Philip Nutt
EHM-1798 Conrad Oldcorn
EHM-1821 Javier Goh
n/a Thomas Thake - are you an EHM pilot, I cant find your EHM-ID ;D
for Beech-1900D:
nobody
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Airplanes are not painted yet, or at least not fitted for public release. The textures will be uploaded somewhen next week. We are going to close the registration on next saturday, and on sunday the DC-3 Dakota will appear in PP, and the registered planes will appear at New York/JFK. ;)
And just to clear the things:
ProPilot is an offline system in the "classical" meaning. Because you are not connected to VATSIM/IVAO. It is still online, because you connected with EuroHarmony server. As this is a ProPilot event, it is basically presented offline, in the classical meaning. Afterall, YOU decide if you want to make it offline, or on the IVAO/VATSIM network.
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is it VFR or IFR? i dont think taht the DC3 has an autopilot.does it?
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Originally posted by SirRoberto
Registration so far:
for DC-3 Dakota:
EHM-0654 Murray Crane
EHM-1001 Robert Szikszo
EHM-1199 Philip Rolt
EHM-1358 Timothy Berry
EHM-1442 Luis Nunes
EHM-1500 Jim Hoyle
EHM-1703 Philip Nutt
EHM-1798 Conrad Oldcorn
EHM-1821 Javier Goh
n/a Thomas Thake - are you an EHM pilot, I cant find your EHM-ID ;D
for Beech-1900D:
nobody
Seems that old school is more popular;D
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Originally posted by 1821
is it VFR or IFR? i dont think taht the DC3 has an autopilot.does it?
Oh yes it does. Simple "fly this heading at this alt" one, but an AP all the same. It even understands ILS (least ways, the MAAM model does, and I have memories that the default DC-3 wasn't too different).
And because it's FS2004, it has a Garmin GPS ;D
As to the VFR/IFR question, for me, I'm going to fly the event "old school" radio nav... There's no reason you couldn't VFR it, if you have good enough scenery, or even GPS DCT.
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Hi,
I need some clarification.
The first leg - SO20 - New York(KJFK) to Bellefonte(KUNV).
FS2004 has Bellefonte(N96) and University Park (KUNV).
The two airfields are very near.
In the Events section, following written instruction, that looks something like the pilots had back in the 20's, there is
' II. BELLEFONTE TO CLEVELAND. 291' / 184nm
0' / 0nm - University Park (KUNV), near Bellefonte '
This it mean that i must push the Dc3, from Bellefonte to University Park?...LOL....or just change the code from KUNV to N96?
Sorry for the remark ,but PP 'll notice that.
Thank you for your time and congratulations for your hard work, in benefit of all of us.
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Luis
It's University Field (KUNV), and when you get there you'll be greatful for the extra runway length ;D
Basically, Bellafonte (and a few other airfields on the "official" MS Century of Flight route) is too short for the DC-3/B1900, so we've plumped for a close-by field with a decent length of runway.
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Hi Murray
You are right about the rwy's length ...eheheheh.....
I finished to test it in my skin.....i was not able to stop the DC3 before the rwy's end.....;D
It 'll be a very pleasant event...... a lot of DC3 in the air......
Thank you
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Of course, we need to find airfields that you are able to land. Originally those small airplanes could land at any place, but the DC-3 is a bit larger and faster. The reason behind airport change in 1st and 2nd leg -there is not more on the route- is because in FS, Bellefonte have only 60 feet wide runway which is almost impossible to touch perfectly. Other runways along the route are suitable.
The flightplans I made are prepared for VFR/ direct GPS flying, but you can change it to any type you want. Because the pilots used visual navigation and a compass only, the preferred altitude for the legs do not go over 4000...6000 feet above the ground. With a nice scenery add-on, it will surely be an unforgettable tour.
We only need to take care of the planes...if you crash it, the tour is over !
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Please write me to pilots list. And hope learn to begining the MAAM DC3.
Cheers Tamas Biro
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Originally posted by SirRoberto
Registration so far:
for DC-3 Dakota:
EHM-0654 Murray Crane
EHM-1001 Robert Szikszo
EHM-1199 Philip Rolt
EHM-1358 Timothy Berry
EHM-1442 Luis Nunes
EHM-1500 Jim Hoyle
EHM-1703 Philip Nutt
EHM-1798 Conrad Oldcorn
EHM-1821 Javier Goh
What about me? I'll be flying in a default DC-3 on ProPilot
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For those of you that want charts, I can do no better than to give you links to the FAA NACO site.
For the current cycle (0603):
http://www.naco.faa.gov/digital_tpp.asp?ver=0603&eff=03-16-2006&end=04-13-2006
And for the next cycle (0604, begins 2006-04-13):
http://www.naco.faa.gov/digital_tpp.asp?ver=0604&eff=04-13-2006&end=05-11-2006
EDIT: If, like me, you're a little bit fastideous about your flight planning (I'm doing so much preparation for this it's silly), do not use the distances given on the event page for your planning - they aren't at all accurate (sorry Robert, probably not your fault...). Using FSNav for distances and bearings, DCT courses in all cases, I come up with a total distance of 2,284.0nm, as compared to the event page total of 2,381nm (100nm difference, which at 160KIAS is quite a lot...)
Use these figures for accurate flight planning:
(http://www.fly-euroharmony.com/site/gallery/murray/airmail.png)
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Hi folks,
I am sorry for not being precise. Let me explain the flight plans on the event page (I will add thisinfo later to the page):
I planned the whole event with FSNav. Every route part has a distance and course presented in the title. The course means a direct GPS heading, and the distance is not the direct distance, but the summa of the detailed legs. Of course if you want to fly direct point-to-point, the summa flight time and distance will be smaller, because the given detailed plan will guide you on a zig-zag route around the average course.
Sorry for missunderstanding ;)
Thomas, please give me your EHM-ID, I cannot find you in the pilot roster ;D
EDIT: pages are updated
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Count me in, in a DC-3.
Can't download the flightplans - do thay exist
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Thanks Desmond ;) Link is now fixed.
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Would it be possible to fly the legs of the tour offline, and log them? I'm still going to try and fly on PP in a DC-3, though.
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Thomas,
This is a PP event, so you *must* use PP/FLogger while flying (and for reporting) of the legs.
Having said that, you do not need to be flying on any of the multi-player networks (VATSIM, IVAO, FPI) to participate. That's entirely optional.
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MS default aircraft is available to download...check the Event's page, or the Fleet page. The payware MAAM repaint can be expected on thursday or friday.
Leg 2 time period was extended a bit because of the Easter holiday then. Now it overlaps leg 3.
Registration ends at saturday (8th of April) 12:00GMT. Currently we have 12 pilots in the list, including unknown EHM pilot Thomas Thake ;) . We will add some more additional planes in case of very early crashes. Also plane reg-IDs will follow your monograms...being really personal planes ;D
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i just downloaded the plane but it wont show up in FS.:[
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Hi Javier. Did you follow instructions in the installer ???
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This package contains only texture. You must have the default aircraft installed in its original folder (...FS2004\aircraft\Douglas_DC3) for proper useage. After the installation you need to add the EuroHarmony texture to the Aircraft.cfg file, so you should add the following lines to it:
[fltsim.4]
title=Douglas DC-3 EHM
sim=Douglas_DC3
model=
panel=
sound=
texture=ehm
kb_checklists=Douglas_DC3_check
kb_reference=Douglas_DC3_ref
atc_id=PH-EBD
ui_manufacturer=EuroHarmony
ui_type=Museum
ui_variation=Douglas DC-3
description="The Douglas DC-3 revolutionized air transportation and airline service during the 1930s and 1940s. It was a luxury airliner that boasted cabin heat and running water in its on-board lavatory. With the right balance of efficiency, range, speed, and payload, the DC-3 was the first aircraft to earn a profit for its owners just by carrying passengers. The hero of early airlines, a handful of DC-3s are still at work today."
If, for any reason you already have a [flightsim.4] section in the file -maybe you installed already some more DC3 textures- then change "4" to the highest one in the file +1. This is necessary to show up the plane in the game.
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Then in the game look for the plane under EuroHarmony / Museum / Douglas DC-3
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the configuration file?
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Aircraft.cfg is the aircraft's own config file in the aircraft's own directory. So in this case, as mentioned above : ...\FS2004\aircraft\Douglas_DC3 there you will find the aircraft.cfg. Add the mentioned section to the file with a text editor.
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i opened the file but i cannot edit it.
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Originally posted by SirRoberto
If, for any reason you already have a [flightsim.4] section in the file -maybe you installed already some more DC3 textures- then change "4" to the highest one in the file +1.
do i have to put in this too?
btw, the plane appeared but it had no texture.:[
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No that 2 lines are just a comment. Maybe you installed the textures into a wrong directory. Check your DC-3 folder if you have a texture.ehm folder in it.
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i have the textures in the file but it wont show up in FS although there is the plane:[
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Have you made the changes to the aircraft.cfg?
Check that you for some reason don't have two called [fltsim.4] or what ever number you have used in the aircraft.cfg
Also check that the texture.ehm directory is placed same place as the other texture directorys
Robert: sign me up for a default DC-3, I should be finished with the european captial tour by then.
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thx to robert and merlin,i now can fly the event with a plane that is not just bare metal;D
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I'm in to get me on the list guys:-)
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One final question from me: for those of us flying on ProPilot (I don't know how many there are) can we begin the tour any time or do we have to wait until Monday 10th?
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You can start at any time but you will not be able. ProPilot events have special planes inserted to the fleet, and the flights are selectable only on specific days. The airplanes are not yet available and the flights are not selectable yet, so you need to wait until monday. ;)
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For those, who cant wait and want to put their hands on the MAAM payware livery, here it is:
DC-3 by MAAM (http://www.fly-euroharmony.com/~aircraft/payware/texture.ehm.zip)
At the moment there is not any guide attach, so it is only for thirsty and professional users. Complete package can be expected friday evening.
Cheers ;)
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Registration almost ended. It means we added the following airplanes to the ProPilot fleet:
PH-UKF - EHM-0361 Karsten Frederiksen
PH-UDK - EHM-0502 Desmond Klein
PH-UMC - EHM-0654 Murray Crane
PH-URS - EHM-1001 Robert Szikszo
PH-UPR - EHM-1199 Philip Rolt
PH-UTY - EHM-1358 Timothy Berry
PH-UTB - EHM-1417 Tamas Biro
PH-ULN - EHM-1442 Luis Nunes
PH-UJH - EHM-1500 Jim Hoyle
PH-UCB - EHM-1651 Christian Bakke
PH-UPN - EHM-1703 Philip Nutt
PH-UCO - EHM-1798 Conrad Oldcorn
PH-UJG - EHM-1821 Javier Goh
PH-UTT - EHM-xxxx Thomas Thake
PH-UEA - yet empty
PH-UEB - yet empty
PH-UEC - yet empty
PH-UED - yet empty
PH-UEF - yet empty
PH-UEG - yet empty
You can see, tail-IDs are following your monograms. Please do not "steal" others airplane if possible, not only on the start, but during the whole event. There are 6 more spots for last minute-ers, or replacement for very early crashes ;)
The MAAM repaint is available to download. Check the Fleet page ;)
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To practise, i did some EHM World Tour leg's with the DC3....
And i did 2 modifications on the aircraft.cfg, that i want to share with you.
1- [brakes] toe_brakes_scale = 0.7 //Brake scalar ... I changed it from 0.3 to 0.7. Because with 0.3 the brakes were weak.
2- [autopilot] default_vertical_speed=500.000000.....I changed it from 700.......to 500....And now when descending on AP, the default os 0.5 fpm
http://www.fly-euroharmony.com/site/manu/ssLibrary/ssDepot/000759_hr.jpg
A lot of DC3 iformation here :
http://www.dc3airways.com/entry.html
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Thanks Luis, it is superb info. Although the DC-3 needs only 5000' for a nice landing run with the default brakes. I am sure all the runways along the route are equal or longer.
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Airplanes appeared on the ProPilot system, you can start lock your flights ;)
Again, please do not lock your fellow pilot's "private" tail-coded airplane. Thank you. Good luck for the event ! See ya at JFK on the opening on-line flight. ;D
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PH-UKF - EHM-0361 Karsten Frederiksen
PH-UDK - EHM-0502 Desmond Klein
PH-UMC - EHM-0654 Murray Crane
PH-URS - EHM-1001 Robert Szikszo
PH-UPR - EHM-1199 Philip Rolt
PH-UTY - EHM-1358 Timothy Berry
PH-UTB - EHM-1417 Tamas Biro
PH-ULN - EHM-1442 Luis Nunes
PH-UJH - EHM-1500 Jim Hoyle
PH-UCB - EHM-1651 Christian Bakke
PH-UPN - EHM-1703 Philip Nutt
PH-UCO - EHM-1798 Conrad Oldcorn
PH-UJG - EHM-1821 Javier Goh
PH-UTT - EHM-xxxx Thomas Thake
PH-UEA - yet empty
PH-UEB - yet empty
PH-UEC - yet empty
PH-UED - yet empty
PH-UEF - yet empty
PH-UEG - yet empty
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PH-UEA - EHM-1671 Ben Contreras
(Somehow after saying three times I'm flying I'm still not registered!!!)
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Sorry Ben,
but some days ago you had a Virtual Pilot Association signature image with name: Thomas Thake on it. That was the reason I could not find you on the database, although I asked several times your pilot-ID...sorry for calling you Thomas anyway.
Afterall, your plane will be the UTT if you do not mind, or choose another from the end of the list.
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will the plane be locked throught the 3 day period until u fly it.cos if i start on 10/4 and i lock directly after that,24hrs means until 12/4 but the 2nd leg starts on 13th.
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Well, not really. You can lock the plane for the next leg only on the first date of that leg. So in the example, on 13th, then on 16th, etc... That is why I wrote, that please respect each-others airplane.
And of course : if you crash your airplane during the event, PLEASE do not continue locking with somebody else's airplane !
Some mistake was found in the MAAM texture installer. The included BAT file is not perfect!!! After you run it, it will not change the CFG file. You will find it inside the texture.ehm folder, and you should manually move that to the root directory of the MAAM DC-3 and replace the old one. I will correct it in the installer as soon I get home. Thanks !
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... also, don't forget to see if you have the MTL library for a standard DC-3 :)
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Hi Bruno, By Standard do you mean the Air France MTL mandatory model? I can't see a "Default" plane in the MTL, they are all airline specific.
My MTL Library has:
Air France, Austrian, Avianca, Continental, Cathay, Aero Campeche, Swiss, Delta, Finnair, Iberia, LAN, Northwest, Olympic, Qantas, Sabena, Saudi, Aerotamatan, Tropic Air, TAP, Viacao Aerea Rio Grandense & Viacao Aerea Sao Paulo.
I will probably fly the Delta Livery as it is the oldest US airline there and I guess we want to keep the theme.
Cheers,
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Oh, sorry about that Robert!!! Haha, a bit of misunderstanding there. My VPA account was deleted because I did not make a flight with them, so someone else got the signature. Sorry about the misunderstanding!!!
And yes, -UTT is fine ;D
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I did the flight in Continental livery, as in real world we used to work a lot for the Continental company...although not the airline, but the tyre company...err, TEVES division (ABS sensor manufacturing). A little bit of advertisement ;D
So, the MAAM payware istaller is now fixed. I did the flight on the default DC-3 and I was struggling on the 1st half of the way :) If I have not used FSNAV for checking waypoints, I would probably had been lost...
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Oops ... didn't check these pages yesterday and realised I have inadvertently locked your plane Jim ... can we swap tail numbers for the duration of this event?
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Hehe,
I think no problem if you remember it ;)
Anyway, I updated the downloadable flightplans, and added the FSNAV flighplans too for each leg. Although I did not add any new info into the attached TXT. Use them as you wish ;)
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does anyone know if i speed up, will the effect of the turbulence be less?(not wake turbulence)
and is the sudden wind that blows you down called wind shear?
i am confused about the two of them:%
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If it's cumulus cloud induced turbulence (ActiveSky user Javier?) you can attempt to descend under it or climb over it (climbing is the more "difficult" option because cumulus cloud is associated with updrafting), assuming there is sufficient "room" above/below the cloud cover. As they say in the real-world, cumuloform clouds are a pilots worst enemy, since they are usually associated with large air movement, and in all three dimensions.
And as for shear, the term can be applied to any sudden wind not from the general wind direction. Many US fields suffer from shear as a result of local building effects... The terms that are specific to vertical wind movements are up and down drafts
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I think it happens only in an F-16 fighter, and in movies, like Iron Eagle, that the plane will be more stable at higher speed...but surely will not happen on a DC-3 ;)
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Originally posted by Murray Crane (ActiveSky user Javier?) ...
no.i am not using active sky.i still cannot find any add'ons or anything:%
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Oh BALLS!!! Sorry guys, like Phil i didn't read the above page before locking my first leg and have just realised i flew Tim's plane!! Sorry Tim, i did take good care of her. I have now locked my own craft for the second leg, sorry for mistake guys and happy flying.
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Ditto Jim ... my own plane is now locked ready for leg 2. (BTW ... I also took good care of the first plane despite a foray into slightly wild moves through experimenting with the autopilot.)
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Thanks to Tamas Biro, some eye-candy was added to the flightplan page of the event. Check it out, it is a map, that hopefully will help in VFR navigation...if you like it, each leg will get the same style map later ;)
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That's a really fantastic piece of work! I for one have printed it out and will try to follow this plan as my route (although I think I'll pop the destination in the GPS just in case I get lost, a reflection on me not the map).
Thanks for sharing this Tamas and thanks for signposting it Robert
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I Agree, Fabulous, superb job Tamas.
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My "personlised" tour plane has been stolen from KUNV. I went to lock my flight for leg 2 to find my plane PH-UDK was missing. It seems that pilot 1628 Jarle Bronstad decide to use it. Can it please be returned so I can continue the tour!
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Des,
Steal Jarle's plane, thrash it about, do some "donuts", race it round the ring road all night... ;D
Folks, everyone got their own, specially tail ID'ed plane for this event for a reason; to try to prevent this sort of thing happening.
[strike]Des, in all honesty, if Jarle's plane is still at KUNV, best thing you can do is take it to KBKL so that the two of you can "swap back" for leg 3.[/strike] Forget that, just took a look at the DFT and it appears Jarle doesn't have a personalised plane. He must have flown one of the "spares" to KUNV (or not, and has just "taken" a plane mid-tour...)
Des, looks like you'll need to fly a spare, and there are no "unclaimed" spares at KUNV. Robert, can we get the remaining spares at KJFK "airlifted" to KUNV? (Or even, and this doesn't really need to be discussed here, but couldn't the spares follow behind automatically, "flying" to each new DEP airport once the one they are at closes to the tour?)
Once there, we can all have words with Jarle... ;)
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I like the idea, although I cannot reach the DB. Someone with access, could move the planes after the opening days to the next starting point. ;)
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That a hint Robert? ;)
I'll take a look after I land S021 (attempt #2... FLogger crashed on #1... It begins :@)
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OK, on the ground (0.00 in PP, and over 300 in FSP [forgot to turn off the landing/strobe lights during roll-out...])
One bit of knowledge we "discovered" during the fly-in that the rest of y'all that fly on IVAO may not know about: when you are selecting your livery for the MTL model, avoid the American airline liveries (Continental is the only one I can remember, but...) For some reason, the American liveries have a nasty habit of appearing as A320's for everyone else. The Air France and TAP liveries are known to display correctly.
[strike]Now, time to "play" with the spare DC-3 fleet...[/strike]
OK, I've seen to it that the spare DC-3s for the US Airmail Pioneers tour are available at the current departure airfield (it's a manual process at the moment...), so Des, feel free to take one of the spares from KUNV to KBKL. It would help Jarle if you could post the tail ID of the spare you fly, as potentially that's going to be his from KBKL onward.
Jarle (if you happen to be keeping up with all this), you are welcome to join the tour, but please use whichever spare DC-3 Des flies from KUNV (or wait a day and pick up a spare from KUNV for yourself...), but please leave PH-UDK at KBKL unlocked as it's Des' plane for the duration of this tour.
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Thanks Murray ;)
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I see what has happened. Jarle actually brought my reserved DC3 to KUNV. Obviously when Jim reserved his own plane and I mine, Jarle just took the next available. No harm done if the 'spares' follow. Is there a way of making only a specific pilot able to lock a plane?
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Ok, I've locked PH-UEG for this flight. Hopefully my plane will be waiting for me for the third leg.
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Originally posted by Plymyphil
Is there a way of making only a specific pilot able to lock a plane?
Unfortunately no. Funnily enough, I suggested this very feature when there was all the mis-locking in the first event.
But, with the spares following on behind us, this need not be such a problem.
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where is the strobe switch in the dc3?i cant find it and it says i didnt turn it on even though i press "L"before i start the engine.i also pressed "O" before that. btw,is it the light at the top of the centre of the plane.
dont want that same penalty on every flight.pls help.:]
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Not labelled at strobe per se but as navigation light and beacon light in overhead panel which is accessed via one of the little square symbols near the GPS and Throttle symbols. Jim
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found the problem i think.but the problem is that sometimes when i change back from window mode to fullscreen,FS window shuts.due to this,i cannot start pp after i shut down engine.
someone pls help:[
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As some of you might already know, I finally got my FLogger working. But it lokos like I'm too late to fly the event, or am I? There is one more DC-3 at New York, but it doesn't have a destination. Am I able to fly this DC-3 (although its not the DC-3 I was assigned) and start late, or can I not fly?
Thanks
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Oops, sorry Ben... I'll move UEA back for you.
You won't be able to PP the first (and very nearly, the second) leg... Having said that, you should be able to use the FLogger to record a PIREP and file it (I think... Robert?). If that works, just send your HM an explanation for the late submission.
Re: your U2U, did you use the FLogger to record it, and did you save the PIREP? Submit it from the FLogger if you did, that should work...
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Hey there Murray,
Only one problem: I don't know how to file PIREPs on the FLogger. How do I do that?
And when I submitted the PIREP before, it was on the form from the webpage.
So, am I actually able to fly both of the legs? I flew the first leg a couple of hours ago, and I still have the times recorded for it.
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Filing PIREPs from the FLogger is easy (as you would hope...)
Set up the flight as you would for a PP flight, just don't click the PP button on the Timetable "tab". Fly your flight as normal, land and shutdown. Now click the "Submit PIREP" button on the log tab, just the same as you would if you had flown the flight for PP - the FLogger submits the flight to the database as a non-PP flight. :) I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.
As for submitting a saved PIREP - go into the Preferences "tab", down in the Resend PIREP section click on the "Browse" button, find your previously saved PIREP data, then click the "Resend" button.
EDIT: And I see what you mean about the web PIREP submission system not liking the S02? flights. I'll have a little look at that, if Bruno/Tamas/Ben aren't working on the PIREP system today? See if I can't get it to accept them with their correct start/end dates.
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Quick heads-up for everyone else. It's 08:55Z right now, sun-up at Cleveland is 10:46Z (if the AS ephemeris tool is to be believed), so S022 can begin at 11:16Z (or thereabouts...) ;D
METAR at Cleveland is currently wonderous for VFR flying - light winds, skies clear with "full" visibility.
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OK, I gave up. After 5th try, and 2 successfull landing at Cleveland, FlightLogger still plays with me and exits in the most unexpected moments...twice on final. I did a lot to try avoid that but could not, so it is over to me.
I offer my plane PH-URS for others, who might crashed their own. Have better luck ;)
I think we can extend manually the time period for 1st flight, but lastly for now. Somebody should edit the flight info to extend the period to say...19th. And if still there are planes in New York, those can be flown too and can start the event ;)
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Robert, you mean it's "crashing to desktop"? Tried a re-install? There's still plenty of time left to get S021 in the bag...
Re: Ben's problems with S020, I'm dealing with it... See my post in the management forum... ;)
The only other plane at KJFK still is Christian Bakke's, and as far as I know it hasn't moved from there or been locked, so I guess he's not taking part...
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Well, it is not crashing to desktop, it only became a full white, blank window with the sand-watch on it, and in the task manager it says Program does not respond... while every other program goes on and do its job.
Well, I managed to land at Cleveland with time-compresison and quite low level of realism...but I did it. I do not know why this happenning, but it is a constant bug at me since several monthes.
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I get the FLogger "not responding" when I minimise it sometimes. If I use task manager to "Switch to" it and just wait, it turns up after a minute or two and behaves as if nothing was wrong.
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Well, interesting technique :) I am flying in windowed mode and click on the programs directly from taskbar. I managed to reach Toledo for 1st try, and now I left Logger open with ACARS window, maybe it will "help" in the future...I will see. ;D
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Someone needs to give TimB a nudge and wake him up... he's going to get stuck at KUNV if he doesn't fly today/tonight...
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Hey, Murray, "you are da man" mate ! ;D It happeneed with me too...I mean, the Logger shoot itself out with a blind white screen. I clicked into the window and the "Program does not responding" text appeared on the top line. I thought it is over and restarted the flight, and started the preparations on the ground for next try, when suddenly the Logger came back and threw a tons of penalty over my head because of bad landing ;D
So it really works! If the Logger gone to sleep for a while, then pause the sim and click into the Logger window and within a minute it will come back alive again ;)
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FAO - Ricardo Plácido
Look after my baby, PH-UMC, on the flight to Des Moines please.
I've moved up PH-UEF to Iowa and will fly that myself to Des Moines tonight (hopefully), then it'll return to the pool...
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OK... I've worked through the backend database, and to be honest the event is descending rapidly into high farce.
Des Moines is as good a point as any to re-apply some order, so as of the departure from Des Moines (S026, valid from 2006-04-28), the following is the "written in stone" list of which aircraft belongs to which pilot:
Aircraft ID->Tail ID->Pilot ID->Pilot Name
796 PH-UKF EHM-0361 Karsten Frederiksen
797 PH-UDK EHM-0502 Desmond Klein
798 PH-UMC EHM-0654 Murray Crane
799 PH-URS EHM-1001 Robert Szikszo
800 PH-UPR EHM-1199 Philip Rolt
801 PH-UTY Spare
802 PH-UTB EHM-1417 Tamas Biro
803 PH-ULN EHM-1442 Luis Nunes
804 PH-UJH EHM-1500 Jim Hoyle
805 PH-UCB EHM-0001 Gergely Kosa
806 PH-UPN EHM-1703 Phil Nutt
807 PH-UCO EHM-1798 Conrad Oldcorn *
808 PH-UJG EHM-1821 Javier Goh
809 PH-UTT EHM-1633 Jose Rodriguez
810 PH-UEA EHM-1671 Ben Contreras *
811 PH-UEB Crashed
812 PH-UEC Spare
813 PH-UED EHM-1759 Ricardo Placido
814 PH-UEF EHM-1628 Jarle Bronstad
815 PH-UEG Spare
* These aircraft are currently at Chicago-Midway. Pilots that are "with their planes" still will need to "get their arses in gear" and shift them to Iowa post haste.
There is to be no arguments about this! Once we all leave Des Moines, this list is to be respected by all participants. As you can see, there are three spares in this "new" list. If you need to use an airframe that isn't explicitly listed as yours, use a spare and not someone else's.
That does not include crashes by the way; officially, if you crash you loose your place in the event! We've lost one airframe to a crash (Gergely's, as it happens, even though he wasn't flying it) and I'm not seeking to take this matter any further, but from Des Moines onward, everyone, be careful with your airframes - these alu birds don't grow on trees you know.
Personal note
By looking at the back-end database in conjunction with information provided on the PP website, it is clear who has "been naughty" and who is just a victim of circumstance.
I'm not going into any greater detail on this matter, this new list makes room for all current participants as long as we all abide by the rules of the event and we all fly safely. After all, that is what ProPilot flying is about.
Thank you.
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As a special favour to those of you "stuck" at KMDW (Chicago-Midway), we've extended the end date of S024 to 2006-04-28 to permit you to get to Iowa (at least...)
So Ben, Conrad and Gergely, let's see you in the air tonight, eh? ;D
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yeh i know, ive just been caught up with a hell of a lot of work.....
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Any other Google Calendar users out there???
I've put the US Airmail Pioneers event leg dates into my public calendar:-
http://www.google.com/calendar/render?cid=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fcalendar%2Ffeeds%2Fmurray.crane%40gmail.com%2Fpublic%2Fbasic
(See, I'm not just a gruff ogre when it comes to sim flying... ;D)
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Hey there Murray,
I flew S024 last night and I'm now at KIOW. Will be flying S025 today. I think I'm up to speed.
Ben ;D
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right i doubt i will be able to finish the tour, too much work on coming up to my A levels.
I can provide ATC in places, but flying is just not an option atm
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Originally posted by Conrad
right i doubt i will be able to finish the tour, too much work on coming up to my A levels.
I can provide ATC in places, but flying is just not an option atm
Sorry to see you dropping out Conrad. If it's "official" (either a U2U or email for the "paper trail" please) I'll return your aircraft to the spares pool.
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I'm not going to name names, but I thought my post about whose airplane was whose for S026 onward was clear enough.
Don't let it happen again!
I've "fixed" the reservations in the database to get everything in line with the list I produced. Once again, please, only lock the airframe you have been assigned!
I don't want to have to go all Frankenstein on Bruno's PP code just to force people to abide by event rules.
I'm sure Bruno/I would much prefer to deal with this once the event is completed and we have a bit of inter-event breathing space to work in.
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by Murray Crane
I'm sure Bruno/I would much prefer to deal with this once the event is completed and we have a bit of inter-event breathing space to work in.
Does this mean that when this event is over and before the next one begin that you guy are going to try and figur out a way to prevent that pilots steals other pilots aircrafts?
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Yes it does ;) It was almost complete before this event but we did not want a delay. We hoped that the registration will be enough for now, until the new system will be used.
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Thanks Robert for the reply. I hope for everyone that it will work. So you don't end up like me and get punished for something I would never do. Guess this I my last ProPilot flight and event
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Originally posted by Merlin
Guess this I my last ProPilot flight and event
Why Karsten? This move is to allow you to fly an entire event and demonstrate your skill without having to worry about a third party ruining it for you.
An example (and ignore the fact that I am helping Robert manage this event and so this particular series of things would *never* happen); on a particular leg of the US Pioneers event, you and I are the last two pilots (and hence planes) at a particular field, and its mere minutes before the leg we are on has to be flown. A third pilot comes along and takes "my plane" and flies it to somewhere/anywhere/crashes it. I notice this, take "your plane" and fly it to somewhere/anywhere/crash it, thereby robbing you of a plane and further participation in the event (lest we forget, this has almost happened more than once in the Pioneers event!) If there are no "spare" planes, or manager about to redress matters, you are out of the event because of something you had absolutely no hand in or control over.
The new event engine will prevent this happening - at the start of a future event, a plane will be allocated to you for the event. You will be the only person that sees that particular plane when the time comes to lock PP flights; the well being of that plane is dependant on one person alone - you. Surely that is much fairer? The only person that can remove that plane from the event is you as it's pilot.
This move is not being made to punish the genuine flight enthusiasts but those that think event rules don't apply to them...
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I think it is a great idea to lock a plane to one person for an event - you're more likely too look after it as if you don't you may not finish the event.
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Yes I understand that and that's a good thing. What I'm at talking about is my current situation. Sorry but I'm at the moment a little pi**ed off at the MT. I lost my DC3 to a crash and as such I'm suspened, nothing wrong about that. But it's the fact that I'm given a 7 days suspention, to make sure that I'm not going steal somebody elses aircraft. I don't being suspended for 7 days if theres a good reason for it. But first of all I haven't seen any announcement anywhere on the forum where it says that you can be suspended for more the 3 days, even during an event. But like I said I don't mind that, because I don't fly that much ProPilot any way. What really upsets me is the reason for this long suspention. Making sure I don't steal somebody elses aircraft. I don't like being judged and punished for something that I would never do.
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Hey there Karsten,
Sorry to hear about your problem... who would actually steal your plane, though, and crash it? It seems to belittle the maturity that EuroHarmony pilots traditionally seem to hold. I would be very upset if someone did that to me. I hope something is done to fix this!
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Originally posted by SirRoberto
The flightplans I made are prepared for VFR/ direct GPS flying, but you can change it to any type you want. Because the pilots used visual navigation and a compass only, the preferred altitude for the legs do not go over 4000...6000 feet above the ground
i just noticed the cruise altitude given in the table with all the flights on the events page.
is this altitude compulsury or can i follow what robert said?
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Well, as both are written by me, you can follow what I wrote there ;) You can trust in those numbers, I tried in SLEW mode all the legs and came up wiith those altitudes after.
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thanks robert. i thought the flights i have already made was gonna be rejected...phew.:D
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Your welcome !
Gents, we are approaching the Rocky Mountains ! It means terrain altitude goes to 3000...5000 feet ASL. It is time to switch to higher flight levels ;)
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Do anybody know, why my DC-3 (PH-UKF) still is operational. I know for a fact that it crashed or at least the left wing was torn of when I hit a building a few days ago.
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I wondered that myself Karsten when I was locking my next leg. I'll investigate on your behalf, if you'd like?
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No it not that big of a deal, was just wondering if someone knew why. But if it's still intact, then you have another spare aircraft.
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Too late ;D
I've had a quick look around, and I've punted my findings "up the tree". Once we reach a descision, I'd expect there to be a minor modification to the DFT.
I'll leave it at that until we've discussed the findings in the MT.
EDIT: Karsten, FYI, your airplane is now officially crashed. Still don't know who had locked/unlocked it (I have a suspicion, but lets not go into it...) I'm going to err on the side of "database confusion" - that the wrong plane got crashed by the PP engine.
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Ricardo Placido - EHM1759 ... are you reading this? You've locked my plane at Omaha ... kindly step away from the aircraft ... do not touch the controls ...
Seriously ... PH-UEF is now th only 'spare' (that is unlocked) plane at Omaha. Assuming Ricardo doesn't see this and zips off with my plane is there any way in the system to return it to Omaha in time for me to lock and make flight SO27? Or maybe some of the languishing DC3s that have been discarded en-route could be zipped up to Omaha.
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PhilR - You have your plane back at KMLE locked for the leg to KLBF.
Ricardo - You also have your plane back at KMLE locked for the leg to KLBF.
Jarle - You have your plane with you at KLBF now.
Jarle/Ricardo - You're both getting an email...
EDIT: And I've moved the three official operational spare to KMLE as well.
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Thanks Murray for the fantastic back-office work ;D Hopefully now everybody have his own plane back.
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Cheers Murray ... you're certainly being kept busy on this event.
Thanks for the prompt support on this as ever.
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Oooooooo... Kay.
After what has been a very hectic day behind the scenes for all involved, I am pleased as punch to announce that Jarle threw together the event aircraft locking code this morning before he left for school, and it worked pretty much perfectly straight out of the box (two minor issues, and neither would have affected very much...)
So, as of this point, the only aircraft event pilots can lock are those listed against their names in the list I produced prior to the departure from KDSM. You can see each others planes but you can only lock your own.
I've just finished a long conversation with Jarle about this and that (MT will understand) and haven't seen the latest revision, but this morning when I was working to repair the mis-locking spooge, it plain stopped you locking any aircraft that wasn't your own.
Finally, I need to properly, publicly apologise to Jarle. I've gone back through the aircraft list posts and cannot see anywhere Ricardo "claiming" 813. I must guess that I looked at who had what locked each time I was "fixing" a mis-lock and took what I saw at the time as Gospel - for that I am very sorry Jarle.
Further, Ricardo (do you read the forums at all mate???) I would very much like to apologise to you "in person" for the other matters that have arisen today. Do you have an MSN Messenger account or similar (I have accounts on most of the major ones)?
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Jarle, just taken a look at the new locking system....
WOW :o ;D
Think I'll leave it at that.
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hi murray!
i found a problem.it seems that there is 2 PH-UTB s at KMLE.Both locked by Tamas Biro. maybe you accidently added a 2nd same plane.
Regards.
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Nope, there's only one in the DB (checked a few times last night). I'm hoping it will sort itself out after the next leg, otherwise it'll be myself and Jarle going through the code with a fine toothed comb.... :(
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Nice work guys .... lok forward to seeing it in action and trying it out for the next leg.
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Call me slow if you want - I've only just realised that Google Calendar's XML calendar service is basically the same as an RSS feed for a calendar.
So, any participants that don't yet have a Google Calendar account, but do know/use/love RSS feeds, can still benefit from my public event calendar, just add:
http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/murray.crane@gmail.com/public/basic
As an RSS feed URL and you'll get all the legs as articles. Unfortunately (certainly in Thunderbird) you have to read the "articles" to get the dates of the legs.
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Someone help!
My plane, PH-UJG, is missing from the fleet page and the lock flight page!
I just flown S034 when I went to check it, I found that the plane was missing.
Is this because PP is "sending my aircraft to maintainence in preparation of the next flight or did it just go missing?
There is still 1 leg to go and i want to be able to fly it so that i cant get that award. dont want it missing now...
Please help:[
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Javier,
I see what's happened ;)... I'll discuss with PhilN and see how it goes. Don't worry, you have an answer before S035 "goes live".
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Just realised after all the earlier discussion here I never came back to thank you for the great work on the reservation system Murray. An easy-to-use-colour-coded-for-fools piece of genius that really makes the system of accidentally booking a colleagues plane a problem of yesteryear - thanks m8.
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I accept no responsibility for the locking code, it was all Jarle's work. The only input I had in it was (1) shouting over and over for it ;) and (2) making a tiny wording change suggestion.
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Originally posted by 1821
Someone help!
My plane, PH-UJG, is missing from the fleet page and the lock flight page!
I just flown S034 when I went to check it, I found that the plane was missing.
Is this because PP is "sending my aircraft to maintainence in preparation of the next flight or did it just go missing?
There is still 1 leg to go and i want to be able to fly it so that i cant get that award. dont want it missing now...
Please help:[
Javier, you should find UJG back again ready for you to lock it. You were CCed on the email from PhilN, so hopefully you have some understanding of what actually transpired (if not, I'll explain after the event...)
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Nice one Jarle ... what a great piece of work :)
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Yes, I agree, it takes a lot of the confusion out of locking flights. It'll be a lot of help on the next PP event.
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Thanks Murray and Phil!
BTW, I have replied to you, Phil.
Sorry If i spelt your name wrong...
and I still dont understand clearly what actually happened.
Please explain, Murray, after the event as you said.
Thanks and Regards;D;D;D
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anybody got an idea when the next one will come up, because I'll think I'll take part in that one.
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They're great fun, really ;D
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I have just landed at KSFO, San Francisco Int'l.
I would like to thank all those who made the Airmail Tour possible (in particular, Murray, Jarle and Robert). It was an awesome event and one I really enjoyed. I'm looking forward to the next one, and hopefully it won't be as much of a headache for some!
Thanks very much, it was absolutely fantastic!!! ;D;D;D
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me too!
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I look forward to flying with you 1821. Finally, someone around-ish my age. I'm 15, and my signature explains my skills.
I get nervous flying with adults. I don't know why. Adult ATC is worse for me, as one told me that I should consider taking phraseology as a subject to get some in my head, or maybe thats because I like calling Phraseology the language of the confused.
I actually like talking that way, I just got lost once when I didn't have enough time to read the "what to do in an emergency" and then the left engine cut out. It was the worst emergancy landing in the history of coventry airport. I'm suprised the left wheel stayed on.
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hi Matt.
Just call me Javier.
do you know that Ben(Roger_Wilco) is 15 too!(Ben, do you mind me saying?)
I dont fly online on IVAO like you though.
Would have if my sister would just let me delete her Sims 2 to make more space...
do you have msn?can i add you?
[off topic]I am not too surprised though that the three of us actually live so far apart.
You:England
Me:Singapore(not many pilots from here...)
Ben:Born in America but lives in New Zealand
From what I think, we will have a better chance meeting up in the Virtual sky than face to face...
Still hope i can go to England 1 day...
Regards
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Well that would still be good. I didn't know ben was 15. I have MSN Messenger. I'm snape202@hotmail.com what's yours?
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hi Matt
i have added you. mine is moymoysauce@hotmail.com
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Of course I don't mind Javier, not like I'm trying to keep anything secret ;)
Maybe the three of us could flying online sometime? I'm trying to get IVAO working, it might take some time ;D And my MSN is jesterb72@hotmail.com, I've added you Matt!
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Ok. Something weird happened, but I think everything's ok now.
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i'll try to get myself online soon, if not for my sis...
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Just a little question for y'all:
How do we move our PP 'characters' out of KSFO if there aren't any flights out of there? ;D
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Originally posted by Roger_Wilco
Just a little question for y'all:
How do we move our PP 'characters' out of KSFO if there aren't any flights out of there? ;D
Wait for travel mode to [dis]engage, then fly from any airport ;)
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Great, thanks MC!
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quick question. How do you minimize FS navigator?
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Tsk...
It has two minimised modes, either "closed" (just press the open hotkey again, Shift+F12 if memory serves for the default... it's still running all the while) or "docked" (click the map pin icon or use the hotkey, Ctrl+F12 if memory serves for the default) Since I have plenty of "desktop real estate", I tend to dock it onto my second display and leave other stuff over it... it's there as a TCAS/moving map if needed)
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Originally posted by Murray Crane
If you want to fly the event online in PP, that's great and I applaud your "M4d 5k1llz" (;D),
forgot to ask earlier but what do you mean by "M4d 5j1llz"?
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Clearly you don't speak "leet"... Those in the know understand "M4d 5k1llz" to mean "mad skills"... ;D
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i dont even know what "leet" is lol!
but there is a language that i am sure all of you(except other fellow Singaporean pilots) wont know how to speak and that is the unique "Singlish";D;D;D
nope it dosent have to do with singing lol;D
Cheers!;D
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Just out of interest, how many folk did finish all legs of this tour and when are the awards being dolled out? I think at one point there seemed to be a hard core of about eight or ten regular names flying the event ... hands up those that finished.
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I done it ! ;D
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And me, and me...
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Me too!
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This goes beyond just an event award ... this is about camaradrie .... teamwork ... men together against the odds, the elements and the technology to achieve something miraculous ... or is that just my aspergers coming through again?
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Yeah, I finished it... when do we get our awards? Lol ;D
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I finished it too! I saw Ben on the ACARS when I started my flight!;D;D;D
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I finished it too..with a friendly PP score.
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Hi,
We are just implementing the award on the badge generator and on the award engine script.
So, please, be patient. We will comunicate you when it's done.
Also, i would like to give congratulations to all of the pilots who finished this hard and difficult event.
All of you definately make us proud and honour our VA!
Congratulations and we will start working on the next event.
Kindly Regards,
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Finished it. Waiting for the next one now1 :>
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Me too!!!
wonder what it will be about:%
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Right now, we don't have the slightest idea ;D ...
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I finished too and have to say what a pleasure it was to fly and looking forward to the next event....bring on the badge!!! Jim
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hehe .. give me and Ben some time to update some scripts ;) ..
You'll all be informed here when it is developed.
Sorry for the delay.
Regards,
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how bout we start a new thread discussing what the next event will be about? :)
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Nice idea Javier. I'll be over as soon as I see the first suggestion :)
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Nice idea Javier. I'll be over as soon as I see the first suggestion :)
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Hi,
The awards were given.
Sorry for the delay.
Regards,
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Wow, they look great. Thanks BF!!
And congratulations to everyone who finished this awesome event. Can't wait for the next one!! ;D
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well, we are still thinking of what the next one will be;)
the award looks great but its not showing on my pilot private area.
EDIT: I meant that the award is there but the picture wont show
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How do i get the badge into my avatar?? It doesn't appear in the badge generator? Cheers, Jim
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Hi Jim,
Please check on your flights if you have them all registered.
Go to your private area and look for your flights there. You need to have from S020 to S035.
Regards,
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Sorry Bruno, i dont think i was clear....i have been awarded the badge but when i run the badge generator programme it does not have the airmail tour as an option to include in my badge? Hope that makes more sense, Jim
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Have worked it out now....never knew about the on-line badge generator!!! Should be working with new badge now i hope....
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Badge generator is working just fine but for some reason the image file in the pilot's profile page just doesn't appear.
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It's corrected now.
Regards,