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Archive => ProPilot => Old Forum => ProPilot Main Forum => Topic started by: EHM-0948 Bruno on November 16, 2005, 08:05:30 pm
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Hi,
We are noticing that some pilots are starting to get not motivated to fly on ProPilot due to many crashes. They are feeling that they are not up the challenge.
We want to remember that Propilot it a place to learn too. That means that you can use your respective Hub Manager to help you if you have any doubts, OR, you can talk to Murray Crane or Cyriel Lamerigts for scheduling some pratical lessons.
Also, ProPilot is a place where you need to have fun and the idea is to get flying better everyday.
I will give some suggestions:
- Never fly an airplane that you don't know well. First fly on the normal mode, and when you think that you are experiencied on that airplane go to ProPilot.
- You crash. Ok, don't start loosing your motivation. Learn from it, talk to Murray Crane, Cyriel, your Hub Manager, me, whatever, but learn from it.
- When you start a propilot flight, position your airplane on the airport before pressing the flight logger PROPILOT button. So, if you crash before that, the system will not consider it.
- When you are starting to taxi, use the Ctrl+S to take a sky view of what's going on around you. So, you don't have another airplane coming in your direction.
- Don't understimate your airplane! Your airplane can always surprise you whenever you less expect. On approaches or take off be always ready to turn off your AutoPilot button in order to manually correct situation that is going out of control.
So, in conclusion, all of us need to make an effort in order to try not to crash so many airplanes, but this doesn't mean that you need to stop flying.
If you one day you think of stop flying because you are crashing too many airplanes, then you are thinking wrong ;D ...
Kindly Regards,
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Hi Bruno,
Thanks for the encouraging words, I know the feeling! I crashed number 4 today in 65 flights. (well 69 if you include the crashes)
I must admit, I need to refocus on Propilot. I was watching the HUB stats too much and not my own. I was flying for the HUB and not for myself.
I have 3 days to reflect now during my suspension although I must admit, I can't figure out why my Aircraft did what it did, but thats a subject for another topic I think!
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please allow me to explain why I will keep on being an enthusiastic EuroHarmony pilot - but on normal mode and no longer using PP.
Yesterday I did my first PP Flight. I flew it with a Pilatus PC-12, I dare to say that I am quite familiar with this plane.
However there was a strange behaviour before and after disconnecting the autopilot - there must be a reason caused by the PP-Software - I think I am quite experienced and as long as I fly online I NEVER crashed - in fact it is sort of embarrassing for me to crash at normal conditions at EDDH , one of my favourite destinations.
I landed with a forward pitch of at least (-!) 20 degrees that means I looked into the ground while trying to force the bird sink the last feet. My speed and configuration was absolutely allright on the final as you can see in the log.
This was an absolutely unlogical flight model the Pilatus performed the last seconds before the crash.
Off cause I am not sure what failures the PP-Software produces - But as it is written in the documentation there are indeed failures produced by the PP to test the pilots skills.
Otherwise I cannot explain the reasons why so many PP-flights end by crashes.
It seems to be part of the game to impact into mother earth quite often and to be "punished" for mistakes the pilot ist not responsible for.
I wish all collegues who like that game much fun but I myself do not like that kind of competition even after the first attempt.
I hate "stress" while simming, I do not want to join a sort of rivalry - and I don't think that the methods of measuring the Pilots skills are objective - there is a essential difference if you fly online or not, if you approach easy or difficult airports, have a bad controller or none, fly an easy plane or a difficult one, and have good or bad luck in dependence on the mood of the PP-Failure-Engine.
Please excuse my critical comment - but it's the way I see it.
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well, as far as I'm concerned, I don't think that ProPilot is a fun experience the way Bruno says it is, but that doesn't mean that I think it's bad...
Propilot is not fun. It is hard, it is stressful occasianally, and it can be a right pain, but the whole point of propilot is, is that it's a challenge. Sometimes, I feel like I would like to be marked, because it gives you a chance to see how good a pilot you may be, and it makes me feel very good about myself if I get 0. I get the impression that alot of people get stressed if they get a penalty, and there was plenty of times in the UNHCR when I got annoyed because I got a penalty, and didn't even realize what I did wrong, so if you're descending, and you overspeed, it's your fault, for not being aware of what's going on.
non-PP is what you need to relax. If you fly with propilot when you want to relax, it's like having to multiply with a headache. Don't do it. I only fly ProPilot if I feel up to it, otherwise, I fly non-PP.
as for these random mistakes, I have never even had one before, but I have crashed a plane on PP, but (I don't mean to sound offensive in anyway) I don't think about the crash. So what? I've now got a high FAC. Doesn't neccessarily mean I'm a bad pilot. I've done 71 successful flights, and one event I happen to break down while using PP. Does it really matter?
Although, I have experienced bugs within propilot, like I got a rating of 1100, yet I really should have gotten 110 and I don't know what happened there but when you fly PP, I think you need to expect that things may go wrong, and you need to be in a mood to not get mad at it.
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In my opinion, i think that the stress PP gives makes me want to achieve a better PP score, and witht he top 10 table, it motivates me even more! I have had only 2 crasheds so far, both my fault, including spoilers out all the way to landing:%:s
Different people have different opinions, and if you have the same opinion as Bruno or me, it does make you feel good when you know you have done a good flight!;D
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Hi Miko,
The ProPilot system doesn't change anything on your flight simulator.
We don't set variables on the game. We just obtain the variables from it. So, it's impossible that the ProPilot system can do anything on your system described by the behaviour that you talk.
Giving some answers to what you said:
"It seems to be part of the game to impact into mother earth quite often and to be "punished" for mistakes the pilot ist not responsible for."
Well, fortunately you are ;D. As I told we don't change or input anything on the system, so the pilot is totally responsible for all the flight manouvers.
"I hate "stress" while simming, I do not want to join a sort of rivalry [...]"
Well, the ProPilot system is not designed to cause stress. It was made so you can have fly more professionaly and on a more close to reality game ;) ... Logically there is a little anxiety connected to it, but the day you start to gain stress, you start to hate it.
We respect all the pilots decisions. But in this matter I personally think you are over-reacting a bit and I should recomend you to do more flights on it until you can see if you really like it or not ;) ...
I already crashed a bunch of airplanes and I still, if the flight permits it, always fly on ProPilot.
Safe flights,
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As a newbie to EHM and PP, I have to admit some frustration with flying on PP. However, my frustration is with my abilities and not the PP system. To be totally honest, I though I was a better pilot on FS9 than I am. Every penalty that I have received has been my fault. I think the most important thing I have learned is that even with the difficulty set fully high, FS9 is very forgiving. All this time, I thought my landing were good if it didn't register as a crash. With PP, I have found different. My FAC is about 179 right now and that higher number is mostly due to hard landings and one crash. My crash was on the recent event from a runway that truly stretched the abilities of the aircraft and myself so I don't dwell on the fact that I crashed. I do take pride in the fact that I was able to go back and successfully depart from the runway without crashing, though.
All that said, I agree that flying on PP is not relaxing but I don't think that was the intent. I do enjoy flying on PP because I think it is improving my flying skills and it is a challenge. I have learned that if I am distracted, stressed, or medicated:] that I do not need to fly PP as I will make mistakes. If I am looking for a fun flight with little challenge and no stress, I just fly in normal mode and enjoy myself. The most important thing at an VA is to have fun and fly! If you are doing something that you find not to be fun, don't do it or you will evnetually quit flying here and I don't think anyone wants to see that happen.
So do what makes you happy as that is the whole point of being here.
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Well, Steven, you're better than me that has a FAC of about 290 ;D ...
And I underline your words for all of us :) .. Definately they describe the way we need to feel the ProPilot better than my post :).
Regards,
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Originally posted by EHM-0948 Bruno
Hi Miko,
The ProPilot system doesn't change anything on your flight simulator.
We don't set variables on the game. We just obtain the variables from it. So, it's impossible that the ProPilot system can do anything on your system described by the behaviour that you talk.
You know the PP-Software and I don't doubt what you are writing - but it seems a little bit contradictory that PP obviously engages the crash detection (on the final or during the whole flight?) - and disengages it afterwards - is that no change?
O.K. you say it is not true what is written in the PP documentation that there are further fault surprises done by PP except the switching on of the crash detection. I did not know that.
It is allready frequently discussed and I only repeat whats allready said: If you fly online on IVAO or VATSIM you cannot do this without switching off the crash detection.
MSFS itself, several sceneries and the complexity of the addon aircraft are too unreliable to allow a crash detection. You can crash with unvisible objects, other planes right at the moment you connect and position yourself at a gate.
Sure there are pilot mistakes to that can cause a crash - but a certain inaccuracy must be tolerated if you do the job of two pilots in front of your computer without being punished.
I can understand why others fancy PP - Matt described it very well - perhaps I have to improve my ability not to be offended so quickly before I make a second approach to PP ;)
Nice Sunday especially to those who are lucky to be at the IFC in Birmingham today.
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I thought that PP switches on the crash detection after takeoff??
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Having read the previous inputs to this item, I feel that I have to say a little. I have flown over 1000 Hrs in ProPilot and almost all my flights are in ProPilot, and I have to say that I do not get stressed in any way. I believe that ProPilot has made me a far better pilot in all aspects of flightsim. At the beginning of ProPilot I crashed aircraft, some my fault and some not, but over time I have developed my own checklist and stick to it, this has kept me clear of any penalties. Flying in ProPilot is really no different to flying in normal mode, the only real difference is that you have to fly in accordance with certain procedures. I would say to anyone to persevere and it will improve your skills, practice landings, takeoffs and approaches in new aircraft before flying them in ProPilot, this will pay dividends.
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Originally posted by EHM-1883 Matt
I thought that PP switches on the crash detection after takeoff??
Hi,
True indeed. You can switch of the "crash agains other airplanes" and leave it turned off because on take off, the Flight Logger turns it on.
Miko, what I said was related to your airplane behaviour. I mean, the Flight Logger doesn't change anything on the airplane or instruments. But yes, it turns on the crash into buildings option if I am not mistaken. So, I apologize if I was not clear on what I said before.
EDIT: And one more thing, you don't need to fly on an online network to do a PRoPilot flight. You just need to use the Flight Logger.
Regards,
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Originally posted by EHM-0948 Bruno
...EDIT: And one more thing, you don't need to fly on an online network to do a PRoPilot flight. You just need to use the Flight Logger.
You do need to have a working Internet connection when flying PP, so that the Flight Logger can send your ACARS data back to our servers, but you don't have to be flying "online" (IVAO/VATSIM/whatever...)
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Originally posted by EHM-0948 Bruno
Originally posted by EHM-1883 Matt
I thought that PP switches on the crash detection after takeoff??
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EDIT: And one more thing, you don't need to fly on an online network to do a PRoPilot flight. You just need to use the Flight Logger.
Regards,
Yes I know Bruno - but it sounds weired but flying offline is like flying in an artificial environment for me - no real human beings - I am online addict I admit ;)
Maybe my problem occurred because I used the Flight1 Payware PC-12?
Now I know more about PP and perhaps I make another try some day.
Cheers,
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Originally posted by EHM-0654 Murray
Originally posted by EHM-0948 Bruno
...EDIT: And one more thing, you don't need to fly on an online network to do a PRoPilot flight. You just need to use the Flight Logger.
You do need to have a working Internet connection when flying PP, so that the Flight Logger can send your ACARS data back to our servers, but you don't have to be flying "online" (IVAO/VATSIM/whatever...)
Even better than my explanation Murray! ;D
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Hehe, it is funny :) I mean, I do not fly quite often online because the online software makes my whole system unstable, and in half of the occasions I must reset the PC ;D
But it never happens with PP. It really is not frustrating. It is a real challenge, because you cannot overstress the plane in any way, and you must follow some rules: like in real life. I am sure PP teaches you more.
Also if I think about my PP score I remember every penalty points and I remember too, that I well deserved them. Flying offline is much safer, because at least nobody step to your neck when connecting to the network ;) Handy little AI tools keep the other aircrafts away of you...this means crashing is only in your hand.
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:s Someone can tell me if the problem with landing lights on PSS a320 and PP it's already solved. That was the reason that took me to abandon PP!
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Sorry Helio, it is not....
The reason it occurs is because PSS did not use the standard FS9 Landing light system when they programed the panel. They programmed it so that Landing Lights would autmoatically turn off when the nose gear is retracted but wing lights remained on until the switch was turned off. This is unrealistic as most aircraft activate Landing lights well before this time but the system does not turn on the nose gear lights until the carriage is deployed. I have asked PSS if there is a work around but it is coded in to the panel and they will not be altering it.
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Maybe we can alter a bit that panel :P For example I added a Beacon switch to my PMDG 747 ;)
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Short and plain: ProPilot is the closest thing to the real flight. It is true that, at least for me, it is a bit stressing, but it is just because we always want to do things right. It is human nature. ProPilot has added a new dimension to flight simulation.
Personally, I think that 99% of being succesful with PP is planning your flight in advance: from A to Z. We cannot wait until 40NM to destination to start thinking on the approach procedures, altitudes, etc. When we do this, we then forget about flying and problems start: forget the 250 kts below 10000, forget to turn the landing lights on below 10000, and many other tiny things that can end up in penalties.
The bigger and complex the airplane is, there are more details we need to look at specially with taking off and landing. If you don't have a copilot, things can really get nasty sometimes.
My "copilot" takes care of raising and lowering the gear, deploys the reversers and the spoilers at landing, advises me when is the proper time to start descending and avoid the much hated " 4500 fpm penalty", etc. These are very simple and easy to install instrument gauges developed by Glenn Copeland. Visit AVSIM and find out more about.
But one thing is for sure: if you are in a hurry or if you only want to have a soft and nice ride, then I recommend that you don't activate ProPilot.
ProPilot is a disease that if you don't get it, you will not enjoy the fun of flying.
Cheers,
Hector Partidas
EHM-1749
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Hello!
I use PorPilot while flying for euroHarmony and I must say it's a great little tool.
Even so, I've already crashed 2 planes since sometimes I have to leave home in a hurry and the 2 extra hours of flying fuel I usually carry come to an end. :] Oh well, not exactly bad flying but it has killed many virtual passengers that's for sure! :]
But, although I enjoy flying with ProPilot, I find that some rules should be revised such as:
Overspeed - Sometimes when flying online on IVAO or VATSIM the winds change too rapidly and with them so does the indicated air speed. My suggestion is that you apply a higher margin until over speed is registered.
Vertical Speed - Same problem as before... winds change rapidly.
Other then that, perfect!
Maybe a good way to incentive pilots is by instead of having a maximum FAC of 0, pilots start to get positive evaluations after, for example, a "kiss" landing.
Cheers from the Azores islands,
João Couto Resendes
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Just another thing.
Landing lights... It should not be mandatory to have them on below F100.
250Kias below F100 should also not be mandatory.
In my opinion, things like this in reality are very flexible and so they should not be mandatory when flying virtualy.
That's it. Thanks
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Originally posted by EHM-1714 João
Just another thing.
Landing lights... It should not be mandatory to have them on below F100.
250Kias below F100 should also not be mandatory.
In my opinion, things like this in reality are very flexible and so they should not be mandatory when flying virtualy.
Really? I always thought they were quite important, especially in real world aviation!:%
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Originally posted by EHM-1671 Ben
Originally posted by EHM-1714 João
Just another thing.
Landing lights... It should not be mandatory to have them on below F100.
250Kias below F100 should also not be mandatory.
In my opinion, things like this in reality are very flexible and so they should not be mandatory when flying virtualy.
Really? I always thought they were quite important, especially in real world aviation!:%
I didn't say they were not important. I said they are flexible. The 250Kias restriction for example: you as pilot can request to fly faster then that, and the same request can be made by an air traffic controller to improve the traffic flow.
Now, for the landing lights... Well, they should be used but there are situations in which they are simple not needed such as during an approach in fog. The use of the landing lights during one of those approaches would actually be harmful for the pilots since it produces strong light effects inside the cockpit, specially at night.
Regards,
João
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On noes.... I crashed too today. I KNEW I shouldn't trust that maintainance guy at ESNN. He looked suspicious...
Oh well, time to fly some non-ProPilot flight to collect more aircraft and countries!
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Just bringing back this topic, I flew some PP flights, and it is true that while taxiing (if online), planes seem to float about the place. When I fly with Ben, while taxiing, he's jumping all over the place. Not because he's taxiing badly, but because he lives so far away, and the connection is worse (unless there's something Ben hasn't told me!), so, you might accidentally crash into someone while taxiing, so I think it's a good thing to have crash detection off while on the ground. even in the sky, Ben jumps around, and we've had a few times where I've nearly crashed into him, but it's more common on the ground.
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Hi Pilots !
Yesterday I tried to outwit the ProPilot Flightlogger.
I flew the PSS Airbus A330 from LSZH to LEMD and put the gear up/down at 10000 ft and climbed and descent in managed mode. The result - 0 points !!!;D
Today I did the same again - with 570 penaltypoints ??? :$
Somtime, this can be very frustrating, because the A330/340 is my favorit aircraft, but it seems that you can only collect points with it, there are already a few thousands I got with them - without knowing why ???:%
Is there no solution for this ???
Lots of greetings
Franz
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Franz, we have two main problems with the PSS Airbuses... The landing light issue is one unfortunately at this time there is no cure due to the code being written in to the panel not the CFG file.The next is the PSS airbus is prone to climb like a rocket should you enter managed mode without all the correct criteria set. There are many posts on how to combat this on the PSS forums, but it is a matter of learning as apparently it is a "Realistic" trait of the aircraft!!!!! The only tips I can give are derate your take of and climb as much as possible. Carry as much weight as possible and make sure you maintain V2+10 thru the initial climb section. I usually dont let VNAV/LNAV take over until 1,000 feet as I find this also helps.
Hope this helps a little.
Regards,
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Carry as much weight as possible
Not often that you find that given as advice.
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Well, to be honest Iain, my phrase may have been ill considered.
The point I was trying to make is that some people never consider the load of these aircraft and with a quarter of a tank of fuel and no Pax/Cargo these planes should come with a NASA logo on the tail! (Same can be said for a 767 or 747 with no load!)
IMHO a realistic load for these aircraft should be taking off with no less than 80% MTOW which is still 100,000 pounds short of a full load on an A330-300!
Most airlines have a break even point for flights and that depends on a lot of factors but at current levels most medium or long haul flights are operating at high occupancy otherwise frequency is adjusted to compensate. Agreed, short haul is a different matter, but we are talking about the big Class 6/7 birds here. I would suggest we load no less than 80% Pax/Cargo unless you are instructed otherwise by the event, mission or ProPilot. (Now lets not get in to the pax waiting issue here, I am tired and its late! :) ) Of course, Fuel planning always plays a hand and so does Max Landing weight so these factors must also be considered.
Hope this clears my point up!
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I don't like PSS. I downloaded their A320, and the FMC doesn't work! I can't fly!
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Originally posted by EHM-1703 Philip
... and make sure you maintain V2+10 thru the initial climb section. I usually dont let VNAV/LNAV take over until 1,000 feet as I find this also helps.
Bit slow noticing this, but...
On the B738 CDU there is one "setting" that along with the climb thrust mode has a profound effect on the extended climb rate. This is the T/R ALT (on Project Magenta, it's on the PERF INIT page or N1 LIMIT page): this is the thrust reduction altitude, and is the altitude AGL where take-off thrust N1 is automatically reduced to climb thrust N1. Usually T/O N1 is 90%+ while climb thrust will hover around 70-80%. Per default, PM leaves this BLANK! Boeing default is 1,500ft. Without this being set, the A/T leaves T/O thrust in place until transition.
As for climb mode, unless you need a 8%+ climb rate (and there are one or two SIDs that call for such), stick with CLB-2 which will be more than good enough (easily 7%) for most SIDs. If you want absolute control, use MCP speed and climb, and set the VS to no more +4000.
Finally, just as Phil points out, getting your T/O and landing weights right can be a big help. I personally use a B738 fuel planning program that I found on the web somewhere that seems to do a reasonable job. I'll get it's "About" info once I get home tonight and post a link.
Without everything being set somewhat correctly, an unladen B738 will happily climb from ground level to FL350+ at 280kts/6,500ftm without breaking into a sweat...
EDIT: OK, it's designed for the PMDG 737 series (600-900), but like I say, I use it happily enough with the Project Magenta/POsky pairing (I just have to turn up some of the landing values to get sensible reserves at landing). Anyway, here's the link http://www.metacraft.com/737NGFP/
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I like Pro-pilot because it gets me closer to the real. Virtual flying lets you get away with everything, and its good to have some kind of controller who is watching to make things real.
I did too crash a plane, but it has not stopped me from "not-flying" again. Thanks Bruno for the kind words of advice too. I am determined to fly more on pro-pilot and have good flights and ofcourse less crashes or virtually no crashes!!
I must also thank my hub manager, Dominic for the kind words and also to Robert for giving me his piece of advice after I crashed. That does not mean I will crash again ...:P to get those pieces of advice.!!! Lol
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Thank you Vicent.
This system was made exactly to purpose that kind of motivation on pilots :)
This year we are planning more features on ProPilot, and more ProPilot events, so expect everything from it :)
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I'm curious what the new features on ProPilot will be. And what kind of new ProPilot events will come in the future. Hopefully an event with legs of around 1,5, maximum 2,5 hours of flight with enough time to complete the flights just like the F1-event.
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Saying was simple, that I was not discouraged, but today when I took up the ProPilot flight, I was a bit sceptical and scared too especially when I approached to land on a totally new airport (LOWS) where I never practiced landing around. Ofcourse I had done a short flyaround LSZH to practice with the Shorts360 plane.
An lo I broke that jinx, I did two flights on ProPilot and both times with 0 FAC.
I should say thanks to the handling of the plane, which otherwise could be even more jittery. The one reason I actually love prop-planes, is the response time, if something is happening wrong, push F4 and you have an immediate response, unless, jets which take some time to respond. Secondly ofcourse Prop planes are lighter and smaller so response can be faster. Will comment better when I start flying those jets!!!
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Just joined and flew my first flight , standard.
if am reading this pro stuff right its just like a slim line version of FSpassangers which I have used a lot. That was very harsh on full settings, forget to turn on taix lights and you would be shot, forget the landing lights and get shot hung drawn and quartered ECT.
Next flight am going to see how it sits along side FSP.
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Hi Andrew,
Well some things need to be done when we fly in the Sim environment. I believe that we got to be doing exactly what the real pilot does except that we are sitting on our chair and not in the air :P
I too used the demo version of FS Passenger, found it to be quite good, but yes does not put the penalty like the one we get on Pro-Pilot. Keep playing you will master the art of playing well and then whether pro-pilot is on, or any other controlling software is present, it will not make a difference.
After doing more than 500+ big planes (jet above A320/B737 and other jets) landings, I dont have fear approaching an unknown airport because i know the plane and also the instruments. thats it --- once you know yourself on FS, pro-pilot is just another software that runs on your system like notepad.exe and ofcourse which saves you the trouble to file your pirepl
Enjoy yourself when on FS.:P
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Have you heard of FS Flight Keeper? I would compare more ProPilot with FSFK than with FP. FP is nice because puts you a little bit more into the real commercial flights world, but FSFK is an exhaustive way to test your flying skills. It is extremely accurate and you can really do a lot of things including crew voices, etc. After each flight you are presented with the analysis of your fligth.
ProPilot is like FSFK without the ACCARS in your cockpit and no voice. I have flown with the three of them active and it is interesting when you analyze the flight afterwards.
Like everything in this world, FSFK has features that FP does not or viceversa but at the end, both of them are good for you to improve your flying skills as well as give you a more real feeling which is great.
ProPilot, on the other hand, also measures your flying skills but in a less real environment. It is like when you flight alone or when you copilot is mute.
At the end there is no doubt that it forces you to act like the real pilots: Plan your flights, do your check lists and follow exactly the procedures but above all, keep the control of your plane most of the time. Simply put: forget about the auto-throttle.
Regards,
Hector
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Originally posted by EHM-1703 Philip
Franz, we have two main problems with the PSS Airbuses... The landing light issue is one unfortunately at this time there is no cure due to the code being written in to the panel not the CFG file.
Maybe the walk around is to have Flogger or PP disable that penalty if the selected airplane is a PSS Airbus. I know, it takes a little realism off, but it would also keep many people from getting pissed off at the system it would seem. To me this is the easiest solution.
I would like to say, on the PP topic, that before joining EHM I was flying regularly with FSPassengers, so was kinda used to follow checklists and procedures. I kinda like it, feels like i'm a real pilot, and thats why i'm here!
So far I had 2 PP flights and the only thing I would change results from my last flight. I was on initial and doing a perfect flight, I mistakenly pressed the L key which turned off all lights. 230 penalty points. Oh well. Changed my assignment for all lights to CTRL SHIFT L. Wont happen again :p
I rather enjoy PP and it is a way to challenge yourself. I hope they continue to develop it to fix whichever bugs it may have. And I want to congratulate all who thought about it and finally programmed it ;)
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Thanks Hector for the mention of FS Flight Keeper. I will have a look at it. And since you mentioned is more real and analytical than FP, I would really like to get hold of FSFK, atleast the trial version of it and get a feel of the same.
I have always maintained that a crash is not the end of flying, its a mistake in the procedures that was done because of which the crash occured, or some aircraft fault, what we need to do is learn that it does not reoccur.
Just today when flying a B1900 using FP, I had a Right Engine Flameout. If I push my throttles too much then my plane would go right, so i got to keep the power enough to keep my plane flying, and enough rudder at the same time to counter the turn caused by the only (left) propellor. I did realize that I could end up crashing and killing everyone after a 7000 ft descend, but careful use of throttle and flaps, helped me make a good landing in line with the runway. It will take time before perfection can be reached. PP should help you be a better pilot. thats what I believe.
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I am sorry for another post, but I forgot to mention something in the post.
PP is a software written, and hence if somethings don't work properly its a kind of bug with the same. So if we get a penalty or crash, it may not be totally due to our fault. The future versions I am sure will rectify if any faults are brought to notice!! Thats how the software field works.
One simple bug I had when flying around the LSZH area was that, all airports had the starting code letter with L. So usually near landing, on listening to the in built ATC, I would often play with my GPS and punch in the direct-to option with the airport I am landing say LSZH. When I did this, it was often below FL100, and the moment I pressed L.. the light would go off, giving me a penalty. Now is this a bug with the software, no, I should have ensure that I selected my GPS before punching in L. L is read by PP because its in Focus, rather than the GPS window. Now next time I should be careful when punching the letter, and ensure that I am in the right window. So PP cannot be blamed for this....
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I am not going to stick my neck on the line and say that PP is bug free, but we have fixed the bugs we are aware of. Admittedly problems exist caused by other 3rd party add ons such as IVAO winds and PSS landing lights etc. but we are limited to what we can do with other peoples software that we have absolutely no control over. I contacted PSS about their landing light issue and the response I got was that PSS had coded the lights in a way that FS2004 did not see them as on or off as they wanted control over separate sets of lights like taxi lights and nose wheel lights etc. therefore they did not use the Flight Sim landing light system at all.
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Hi Philip,
By making the statement about the problems in PP I as a software developer would like to clarify that I am not blaming the software. I was just answering to the query that there can be flaws and as mentioned I did not look at the landing light issue caused to me as a bug, but my carelessness and then getting the penalty on me.
I did not intend to hurt anyone with my statement. I love PP as a software that makes my flight more realistic and I enjoy getting those penalties, trust me, I enjoy getting penalties, because it helps me learn and not make the mistake the next time.
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Hi
I have flown quite a few pro-pilot flights and enjoy the challenge of completing a perfect flight. However, in terms of motivating people, I do think the balance of the scoring system could be improved. You seem to be heavily penalised for making mistakes, but only get a small reward for the perfect flight (about 10 points?). I think the emphasis should be on positive reinforcement and pilots should receive much bigger rewards for perfect flights.
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Hi Chris,
Welcome to the Forum! Feel free to comment and ask everything that you would like to.
Regarding to the FAC, this is the 2nd version, and trully it needs to be improved in my humble opinion.
We, at the MT and on the Community, made a very active discussion about this new FAC version some time ago, and next year I will propose to the MT team to do a 3rd version.
So, what I suggest is to continu doing flights, because when we (if we) made a new FAC version, it will import all the historical data that you already have.
Regads and welcome again.