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Title: A380 panel
Post by: EHM-1821 Javier on October 23, 2007, 07:10:04 am
Hey guys, i thought i'd share my A380 panel with you guys ;D

I merged Ken Mitchell's A340 panel with Pasquale Rinaldi's a380 panel (a380-v1fs9.zip on avsim)

(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u101/EHM-1821/fsscr002.jpg)
(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u101/EHM-1821/fsscr003.jpg)
(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u101/EHM-1821/fsscr004.jpg)

I basically replaced the main panel with the Pasquale Rinaldi's a380 panel and along with the guages in that panel and some other small details ;D

maybe someone could put it up on the EHM website for download? (im gonna make the zip file for it if i get the go ahead ;D)
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Post by: EHM-1982 Carlos on October 23, 2007, 07:23:45 am
It looks great, this panel should be merged with our new A380.
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Post by: EHM-1671 Ben on October 23, 2007, 07:40:15 am
Fantastic panel Javier, I'd be happy to put it into the A380 ;)
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Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on October 23, 2007, 09:49:36 am
Hi Javier,

Can you please send an email to Robert with your panel as attachment ? I am sure he would be glad to analyse it ... ;)
Title: A380 panel
Post by: EHM-1821 Javier on October 23, 2007, 10:08:43 am
sure Bruno;D i'm off to find the gauges :]

I have a feeling that the flaps are not provdidng enough extra lift :s when on finals, the AOA is quite high for the approach, higher than in real life, making seeing the runway from the cockpit impossible as i cant see over the panel without moving it
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Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on October 23, 2007, 11:03:41 am
At what air speed where you going Javier ?
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Post by: EHM-1821 Javier on October 23, 2007, 11:07:47 am
165KIAS :)
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Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on October 23, 2007, 02:34:14 pm
hhmm .. it's a good landing speed.

Let's see if it happens with more persons. Ricardo and Robert tested it and didn't detected that landing speed vs AOA prob but it had been, for sure, on different situations.
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Post by: EHM-1759 Ricardo on October 23, 2007, 03:16:34 pm
Javier, I didn't get any problems with A380. Did you remove the extra payload before your landing? Don't forget you shouldn't have more than 850.000 Lbs at the touch down. This factor is important to maintain the stability of the aircraft during the approach.

Regards.
Title: A380 panel
Post by: EHM-1821 Javier on October 23, 2007, 03:30:44 pm
yep, around 812000lbs on landing. Maybe its just me :] it might be the panel being too high but im not sure which is correct, so, im gonna test it again see what happens ;D
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Post by: EHM-0641 Rico on October 23, 2007, 03:58:51 pm
Javier is right.. the AOA is way to high with full flaps and gear down..

I have to move the seat 'up' to be able to see the runway ..

tested the A380 yesterday with a flight from TNCC to TNCM ...

Also I find the flaps ugly :P  on big grey block, no details :P
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Post by: EHM-1821 Javier on October 23, 2007, 04:19:27 pm
I've just tested it again and I still think that the EHM A380's AOA is a bit higher than normal,

this is the view im getting
(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u101/EHM-1821/fsscr006.jpg)
and the AOA on finals (165KIAS)
(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u101/EHM-1821/fsscr005.jpg)
and flare (155KIAS)
(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u101/EHM-1821/fsscr008.jpg)

almost no need to flare :]

with first hand experience of seeing a A380 landing;D, i have to say that the AOA on approach is too high but the flare and landing is just right


and btw, has anyone lost the flaps textures on the right wing? mine's not showing, just a shiny surface, not the grey blocky colour :]
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Post by: EHM-1465 Dominic on October 23, 2007, 08:35:10 pm
Sorry guys, I have to disagree !

In my tests the nose was only 2.5 degrees above the horizon on approach which seems perfectly reasonable for a plane this size... It all depends on weight, speed, wind and config etc so I don't think there is a right answer to this!

Just remember the main panel hides about 60-70% of your view so it's no wonder you need to change viewpoint to see the runway or press W to get the minipanel!! This isn't the only plane this applies to...

I like the A380 and I'm really glad we've got it - so let's all celebrate our new baby, huh?? :P :P
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Post by: EHM-1001 Robert on October 23, 2007, 09:18:26 pm
Errr, partly agree, partly not. Unfortunately not this one is the only plane that you do not have a clean view of the runway. I think it is an FS disease. And this is when Shift+ENTER comes handy.

On many panels you need to adjust the forward view angle to have a "nice" overview on the runway during approach...but it looks a bit odd while taxiing. So, compromises, compromises... I added Javier's panel, and altered a bit the flaps config. Maybe still not perfect, but a bit better ;)

Plz reload the plane if you want these new features. Thx.
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Post by: EHM-2029 Sotiris on October 23, 2007, 10:26:33 pm
Thanks for the fast reaction Robert.
Well Done!
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Post by: EHM-1570 Bruce on October 23, 2007, 10:27:15 pm
I have carried out several approaches in the new A380 and the nose is pitched too high on approach, I have modified my aircraft.cfg file and the view and AOA is just about perfect. The change to the aircraft.cfg file is as follows: open the cfg file and scroll down to the [flaps.0] and change the lift_scalar from 0.1 to read 0.8 , then save the file. I have tried the approaches several times, and I could see the runway all the way down to touchdown.
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Post by: EHM-1759 Ricardo on October 24, 2007, 12:43:43 am
Sorry mates but this panel has some bugs:

1. I cannot see lateral views;

2. Two rotative buttons do not allow mouse scrolling to the positive values: HDG, CRS and Altitude.

Is possible to make the somes gauges appear bigger on clicking them? For example for the fuel screen? It is important because there are some values too small and they are importants for the flight, like the weights etc...

Thanks.

Keep the good job.
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Post by: EHM-1821 Javier on October 24, 2007, 04:16:23 am
1) sorry Ricardo, don't get what you meant by lateral views

2) yea, i realised that too, i think it might be possible to replace them with the knobs from Ken Mitchell's panel

3) i'll go have a shot at making the screen bigger by clicking it ;D
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Post by: EHM-1759 Ricardo on October 24, 2007, 12:11:23 pm
Hi Javier, thanks for your quick answer.

For lateral views I mean, when you are inside cockpit, if you turn your head to the left, right or back side, you only see a black screen, there are no windows :[

Thanks a lot once more :)
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Post by: EHM-1821 Javier on October 24, 2007, 12:40:30 pm
thats strange, my cockpit views showed up just fine, i think its the file name for the side view image is different from the file name

could you check that the bold part in for example the front left view:

[Fixed Window30]
file=Forward_Left.bmp
position=7
visible=0
ident=30
render_3d_window=1
window_size= 1.000, 1.000
window_pos= 0.000, 0.000

is the same as your file name for that view? im guessing that its different as i couldnt send the files for the views along with the email to Robert and that might have caused the problem
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Post by: EHM-1759 Ricardo on October 24, 2007, 12:56:52 pm
I have already discovered the problem. The forward_left images etc... don't have the same name like is written in the panel file.

My forward_left image is named: a321_left45.bmp

Now, it is working properly :)

Robert, please check this because I think I am not the only one with this problem.

Thanks :)
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Post by: EHM-0641 Rico on October 24, 2007, 06:08:24 pm
same here, all the window values have another name in the panel.cfg then the images stored in the panel folder... how do I change that ?
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Post by: EHM-1759 Ricardo on October 24, 2007, 07:08:38 pm
Hi Rico

Change your textures name:

A321_left135.bmp    ===>>> rear_left
A321_left90.bmp      ===>>> left
A321_left45.bmp      ===>>> Forward_left
A321_right45.bmp    ===>>> forward_right
A321_right90.bmp    ===>>> right
A321_right135.bmp  ===>>> rear_right
A321_right180.bmp  ===>>> rear

Select your aircraft again... and it's done!!! :)
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Post by: EHM-1001 Robert on October 24, 2007, 07:52:51 pm
Well,

I fixed a lot on the airplane. Fixed the Fuel config so it looks fine on the Fuel display, fixed the side views, fixed the knobs, and added a bit more flaps power :P Not as much as Rico adviced, because it would let her takeoff too early ;)

If somebody would have the talent and time to repaint the background, we could have a very own and really nice A380 panel ;)
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Post by: EHM-1671 Ben on October 24, 2007, 08:41:59 pm
Quote
Originally posted by EHM-1001 Robert
Well,

I fixed a lot on the airplane. Fixed the Fuel config so it looks fine on the Fuel display, fixed the side views, fixed the knobs, and added a bit more flaps power :P Not as much as Rico adviced, because it would let her takeoff too early ;)

If somebody would have the talent and time to repaint the background, we could have a very own and really nice A380 panel ;)


Does that mean that it's been put onto the A380 and we have to download and install it again?
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Post by: EHM-1001 Robert on October 24, 2007, 09:03:05 pm
Yup. Unfortunately...but it worth redoing ;) You can simply reinstall it without removing anything old first.
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Post by: EHM-1671 Ben on October 25, 2007, 08:33:28 am
Sure Bruno - not a problem at all. A great plane ;)
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Post by: EHM-1759 Ricardo on October 25, 2007, 01:00:45 pm
Yesterday I made a flight with very bad weather conditions to test its performances. However I got some questions:

1. Which is the normal AOA at cruise FL? In this case, at FL390 I got 5 degrees; :[

2. Which is the normal order for fuel consumption? Tips, Auxs and then centers. But my center 3 spent fuel at the same time than and the other centes kept the fuel at 100%;

3. When I choose mach number in the button, my speed AP button is disengaged :( I think it is not normal...

Any comments about these points?

Thanks
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Post by: EHM-1001 Robert on October 25, 2007, 05:31:44 pm
Well,

1: the AOA at high load can be 5 degrees. And that is why heavy airplanes do not start cruise on FL390, instead around FL300, and they use the stepclimb: climbing higher only as the weight decreasing.

2: FS uses abnormally the fuel. Normally the fuel is kept in the wings, but FS uses the wing tanks first. On the A380 model, the Inner Wing Tanks are called Center1 and Center2, so the amount appears nicely on the Ken Mitchell fuel display. The Center3 is probably recognized as Trim Tank by FS, and (nicely) it remains full as long as possible.

The real A380 have a totally different tank configuration, that a simple FS model could not simulate. It does not have Center tank at all, it have only 2 normal Wing Tanks and a Tip tank per wing. BUT. It has also "cache" tanks too inside the wing, where the fuel is pumped first and the Engines are fed from these "cache" tanks. The capacity of these tanks are added to the others, so in reality the 81000 Gallons are spread into 2x3 Wing tanks, 4 Cache (Feed) tanks and 1 Trim tank ;)
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Post by: EHM-1759 Ricardo on October 25, 2007, 06:20:39 pm
Thanks very much for your answer Robert :)

And what about my point 3?
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Post by: EHM-0654 Murray on October 26, 2007, 10:15:00 am
Ricardo,

Do you mean IAS Hold (or 'bus equiv) disengages, or that the A/T disengages?
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Post by: EHM-1759 Ricardo on October 26, 2007, 12:31:36 pm
When I click on IAS/MACH select button for display MACH Number, my SPD hold button is disengaged :[