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Community Discussion => Flight Operations => Topic started by: EHM-2383 Ian on March 13, 2010, 10:20:49 pm

Title: KATL to PHKO
Post by: EHM-2383 Ian on March 13, 2010, 10:20:49 pm

Dominic, any chance of upgrading level 5 flight KATL to PHKO to level 7 as you did with KATL to PHNL? Again distance is too far for a level 5 aircraft.

Ian

Title: Re: KATL to PHKO
Post by: EHM-1465 Dominic on March 14, 2010, 01:56:27 am

I'll get right on it Ian - thanks for letting us know ;)

Title: Re: KATL to PHKO
Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on March 19, 2010, 06:12:03 pm

Hi,

I think it's too far for any aircraft :)

... about 9000nm ... maybe a bit long  ;D

Regards,
Bruno

Title: Re: KATL to PHKO
Post by: EHM-1997 Alexander on March 19, 2010, 09:23:20 pm

A340-500HGW has that range :P

777-400 almost??

Title: Re: KATL to PHKO
Post by: EHM-2383 Ian on March 20, 2010, 03:14:21 pm

Hi
Flying west directly from KATL to PHKO the distance is 3855nm approx. The Hawiian islands are all easily fliable from anywhere in the US as far as I am aware. Would it be that the distance is 9000nm if you flew eastwards?

Ian

Title: Re: KATL to PHKO
Post by: EHM-2383 Ian on March 20, 2010, 05:30:20 pm

Have just noticed that PHKO is being described as being in Croatia. This is not the case and hence the confusion about distance. PHKO is in Hawaii! I believe Honolulu (PHNL) is also stated on timetables as being in Croatia.

Ian

Title: Re: KATL to PHKO
Post by: EHM-0654 Murray on March 21, 2010, 08:52:20 am

Good spotting there Ian. I've nipped into the DB and "moved" Kailua-Kona (PHKO) back to the US.

As far as the DB was concerned, Honolulu (PHNL) was already (correctly) in the US.

Title: Re: KATL to PHKO
Post by: EHM-1465 Dominic on March 22, 2010, 07:57:34 pm

Quote from: EHM-2383 Ian on March 20, 2010, 03:14:21 pm

Flying west directly from KATL to PHKO the distance is 3855nm approx. The Hawiian islands are all easily fliable from anywhere in the US as far as I am aware. Would it be that the distance is 9000nm if you flew eastwards?

When I checked the route on Routefinder it came up as a massively inaccurate 10000 nm but further research indicated this route was via Alaska for some reason, so this might be why some searches would give a very long distance.

The new Class 7 flights there and back have now been added and should appear in your Flogger after you update it Ian ;)

Title: Re: KATL to PHKO
Post by: EHM-2387 Eric-Jan on March 22, 2010, 09:58:40 pm

Ha! FS Commander did just about the same thing for me, when I asked for a High altitude route from PHKO to KJFK.
FSC first sent me south to French Polynesia ... good for an 8000nm route, where GCD is less than 4000, I believe.

Title: Re: KATL to PHKO
Post by: EHM-2097 Andrei on March 23, 2010, 09:15:05 am

Routefinder finds it wrong ;D because the ocean area is not covered by regular airways; instead, special temporary oceanic routes are defined and updated (twice a day I think) to take into account the actual weather.

Routefinder can manage Northern Atlantic routes - aka NATs. It's easy to see the difference between any flightplan like EGLL-KJFK with NATs enabled, then disabled in Routefinder. When these are disabled, it finds the "best" route using regular airways, which usually means a detour near the North Pole.

The same happens over the Pacific, except for the oceanic routes which Routefinder cannot handle (or is simply not aware of) so one always gets the detour.

I am not sure where to take the updated Pacific routes, but I've seen IVAO website claiming they have these published. Never checked myself though...

Andrei