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Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on December 16, 2007, 04:07:43 pm
Dear pilots,

The Lisbon-Dakar 2008 event has been released.

Use this forum topic to write any comments/doubts/suggestions that you want to.

If you want to participate, you need to send an email to bruno@fly-euroharmony.com writing your pilot-id on the email body.

Regards,
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1657 Jay on December 16, 2007, 07:36:31 pm
Email on it's way and I am VERY excited mate !

PS Can you verify that you got my email pls ?
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2095 Billy on December 16, 2007, 08:01:47 pm
Is it necessary to fly online using vatsim or ivao servers?
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2180 Mugur on December 16, 2007, 09:31:44 pm
is it necesary to be online all flight time like is for propilot or is enough the flight logger pireps?

im in anyway!  :%
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1703 Philip on December 16, 2007, 10:44:59 pm
You do not have to be connected to IVAO or VATSIM to fly the event but your PC does need to have an internet connection so the PP flight logger can report your flight. Enjoy the event!!!! :)
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2095 Billy on December 17, 2007, 12:21:57 am
Quote
Originally posted by EHM-1703 Philip
You do not have to be connected to IVAO or VATSIM to fly the event but your PC does need to have an internet connection so the PP flight logger can report your flight. Enjoy the event!!!! :)


Ok, then, i'm sending you the e-mail.
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0471 Peter on December 17, 2007, 03:17:10 pm
All clear the boss! I think my confirmation e-mail was the second one, wasn't it.
It's a long time ago when I flew B1900, but just a few takeoffs, touch and goes and landings ( in every case ) and we'll be back! Yupeeeeee old chaps, here we go again....

Peter LGAV HM
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1749 Hector on December 18, 2007, 03:59:59 am
Hi Bruno,
I sent my e-mail yesterday. Waiting for it.
Regards,
Hector
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2180 Mugur on December 18, 2007, 08:53:52 am
i already started training with B1900, this week probably ill establish the camp in north africa for some flights there.
i still do not have an answer at my question: are this propilot flights? my connection is poor here(im in congo), if some times for few moments i loose the connecton, but flight logger is still running, when im flyin propilot flights at the end of the flight, when i submit the pirep they say, it cannot be considered propilot flight because i lost the connection. Is it the same situation now? I mean, is it enough to submit the pirep at the end of the flight or should i be connected all time during the flight?
Thanx,
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1657 Jay on December 18, 2007, 09:01:13 am
Yes, they are ProPilot flights, at least they were the last two years :)
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1944 Jaap on December 18, 2007, 02:52:24 pm
Hi Bruno,
Tried to send you a email today as I did yesterday.
Our system administrator tells me that those mails are undeliverable to you.(By the way the same happened with a email to Sotiris )
How do I get my Beech flying in this event?
Cheers,
Jaap
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on December 19, 2007, 01:45:22 pm
Hi,

Let me check tonight what's going on with the email server. Unfortunately I don't check my emails for 2 days (day work stress period) ...
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2180 Mugur on December 19, 2007, 02:23:54 pm
me too, i send an email to you. put me on the list pls, EHM-2180
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on December 20, 2007, 10:35:03 pm
Hi guys,

We are having email problems. Please be patient until we say something again. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1657 Jay on December 21, 2007, 06:36:17 am
That's cool Bruno :)
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on December 21, 2007, 10:07:46 pm
Ok, the email is back!

Got emails from:

Hector Partidas
Jay Kae
Peter Hribar
Evan Kirou
Andrei Vatatescu
Javier Goh
Daniel Sahlin
David Mulder
Bruce Woodridge
Bart Hiddink

Come'on guys, let's get more registrations! :)
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1657 Jay on December 22, 2007, 08:49:53 am
Whooohooo, I am SO in!!
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2180 Mugur on December 22, 2007, 10:29:53 am
bruno, did u receive my email? i send it twice.
EHM2180
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on December 22, 2007, 04:52:56 pm
Hi Mugur,

I didn't. can you please send it again ? Thanks
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2180 Mugur on December 23, 2007, 09:59:37 am
still nothing bruno?? i sent it again
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1883 Matt on December 23, 2007, 07:47:32 pm
Sorry guys, I will not be taking part in this one. Stupid exams:@

oh well. At least they'll get me a job someday;D
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2131 Bruce on December 26, 2007, 11:22:26 am
Bruno did you get my E-Mails as my name is not on the list, Regards Bruce EHM-2131
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0641 Rico on December 26, 2007, 10:45:05 pm
Bruno, did you get my email m8 ?
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on December 27, 2007, 12:21:45 am
Hi mates,

I am a little offline from EHM emails due to work stress peak. On friday I will check them all if you don't mind.
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on December 29, 2007, 04:37:59 pm
Dear pilots,

15 Beech's have been reserved!.

Congratulations to all of you.

Please check your reserved airplane on the ProPilot zone.

There is still time if someone more wants to participate. Just send me an email with your Pilot-ID.

Regards,
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1001 Robert on January 02, 2008, 12:54:15 pm
Dear Gents,

last year we had a bloody hard return flight to Lisbon, because the freeware Beech burnt the fuel so fast. Plz check, if you have the latest version with moderate fuel usage.

The normal value inside the Aircraft.cfg for the Beech should have:

[GeneralEngineData]
...
fuel_flow_scalar = 0.5

This way you should not have to leave the baggage in Dakar for the return flights. ;)
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1680 Fanis on January 02, 2008, 03:00:51 pm
What about the payware (PMDG)?
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2131 Bruce on January 02, 2008, 03:51:03 pm
how do you lock your flight? i have gone to propilot and my id is next to CS-DKL this is in green ,but all others are in red, when i go to lock the flight it is not in the lock plane list, so i cannot lock the flight, any help please Regards Bruce EHM 2131
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1953 Daniel on January 02, 2008, 05:57:32 pm
Bruce, i think it's like this, that you can't lock the flight until the right date of the leg. so you'll have to wait until the 4th to fly the first leg :]
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2131 Bruce on January 02, 2008, 08:02:36 pm
Hi Daniel, thanks for that will try Again on Friday, all the best Bruce EHM 2131
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1651 Christian on January 02, 2008, 08:52:01 pm
Hi Bruce

You can only lock the flights within the specified date range given on the event page.

So try again on the 4th:>
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1417 Tamas on January 02, 2008, 10:24:40 pm
Lisbon Airport and city:
sagres-va.planetaclix.pt
http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?DLID=85305&CatID=fs2004scen

Portimao Airport:
http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?DLID=90003&CatID=fs2004scen

Malaga (LEMG) Airport.
http://www.mundofree.com/aalba/lemg42.htm
http://www.mundofree.com/aalba/upd45.htm Update
http://www.vatspa.net/web/component/option,com_docman/task,cat_view/gid,47/Itemid,409/lang,en/ Another version

Non airport Scenries: (Portugal and Spain SRTM Mesh)
http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?DLID=39375&CatID=fs2004scen
http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?DLID=74921&CatID=fs2004scen Another version

Marocco: (Included airports: Errachidia GMFK, Ouarzazate GMMZ)
http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?DLID=113393&CatID=fs2004scen
Atlas Mesh: http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?DLID=46387&CatID=fs2004scen

Western Sahara: (Smara GMMA)
http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?DLID=113396&CatID=fs2004scen

Africa Landclass:
http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?DLID=50244&CatID=fs2004scen

Dakar Airport:
http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?DLID=62501&CatID=fs2004scen

Hope usefull informations sent.
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1001 Robert on January 02, 2008, 10:41:40 pm
Hello Fanis. We did not alter PMDG fuel useage, so that should be Okay ;)
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1944 Jaap on January 03, 2008, 09:42:39 am
Last year I flew the event with the PMDG Beech1900 without having a fuel problem with the last two legs even with some headwind using real weather.
Cheers,
Jaap
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1657 Jay on January 03, 2008, 12:01:10 pm
Same here Jaap, no dramas at all :)
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2097 Andrei on January 04, 2008, 09:16:02 am
Here we goooo!

I did not wake up early enough to be the first to fly the first leg (Bruce beat me by 10 minutes, congrats to him), but the adventure has begun. (In this case, the adventure is of course to find the time to fly within the schedule :) )

Looking forward to the next leg!

Andrei
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2173 Bastiaan on January 04, 2008, 12:23:44 pm
You guys know that the Dakar race is cancelled right :|
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2095 Billy on January 04, 2008, 12:31:38 pm
Quote
Originally posted by EHM-2173 Bastiaan
You guys know that the Dakar race is cancelled right :|


Well, i heard it a few minutes ago.
What about the event? Shall we fly the same?
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2097 Andrei on January 04, 2008, 12:33:28 pm
Oops, I did not know that...

Sooo... I'm (virtually of course) at Portimao right now, should I head north or south :) ?

Andrei
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2131 Bruce on January 04, 2008, 12:52:46 pm
we shall have to wait for more information from control, would be a pity to stop the tour, but will fly the next leg  any way, if it  is stopped l  will  fly the event,  just for the fun of it. Bruce EHM 2131 ;D
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0654 Murray on January 04, 2008, 02:05:02 pm
I say keep going (personal, not MT...) Just 'cause they've canceled the real-life race, no reason for us to not keep the event going in celebration of the history of the real-life race.
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0641 Rico on January 04, 2008, 05:07:03 pm
Why did they cancel it?
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1465 Dominic on January 04, 2008, 06:29:31 pm
According to the BBC News website it was cancelled because terrorist threats against the race meant that the organisers felt the risks to those involved were too great.

This is against a background of tourists being murdered recently in Mauritania so the threat is unfortunately very real...
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1953 Daniel on January 04, 2008, 06:45:23 pm
yes, Dominic has got it all right, and if you would like to read what the organisers them selves got to say can you read their statement at http://www.dakar.com/indexus.html
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2173 Bastiaan on January 04, 2008, 07:24:40 pm
But I don't understand why they cancel the whole tour. Why can't you just drive to Morrocco and back or something. These people spended a whole year and a whole load of money on there car.. And imagine the money that the event loses by sponsors etc.
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1592 Niels on January 04, 2008, 07:39:05 pm
Bastiaan,

The ralley is nothing without Maurentania, because of the worlds best sand dunes there.
I guess it's all or nothing. The sponsors will run anyway from only a half ralley. I think the question is:
why so late, the problems are not from yesterday only
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1657 Jay on January 04, 2008, 08:35:42 pm
Not quite the same is it? I have sort of made it a tradition each year to put the results of the real race up and some pics and some info but yeh... I am disappointed :(
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1821 Javier on January 05, 2008, 01:13:06 am
Oh well, at least we can still fly our own event, better than a terrorist threat becoming a real happening :s
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2180 Mugur on January 05, 2008, 08:52:23 am
right now(0900z) on the acars there are 5 pilots doing the second leg to LEMG. Too bad we are not on the same network. Im alone on vatsim....
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0641 Rico on January 05, 2008, 12:05:56 pm
I just finished the second leg to LEMG.

I was able to lock leg E053. But I do not see a leg from LEMG to Nador..

Are we supposed to fly E053 today also or what..?

if not, what is the ICAO code for Nador?

How do we proceed from LEMG onwards??
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2131 Bruce on January 05, 2008, 02:54:09 pm
Hi Rico, AS far as l know this was the timetable for the tour, as the rally has been stopped, i do not know what the managment will do about the tour, but  l will be flying this route over the next days,  Bruce EHM 2131:>



E051 LPPT,  Lisboa LPPM, Portimão 4th January 5th January
E052 LPPM,  Portimão LEMG, Málaga 5th January 6th January
E053 LEMG,  Málaga GMFK, Er Rachidia 6th January 7th January
E054 GMFK,  Er Rachidia GMMZ, Ouarzazate 7th January 8th January
E055 GMMZ,  Ouarzazate GM0A, Guelmim 8th January 9th January
E056 GM0A,  Guelmim GMMA, Smara 9th January 10th January
E057 GMMA,  Smara GQPA, ATar 10th January 11th January
E058 GQPA,  Atar GQNN, Nouakchott 11th January 12th January
E059 GQNN,  Nouakchott GQPP, Nouadhibou 13th January 14th January
E060 GQPP, Nouadhibou GQPA, Atar 14th January 15th January
E061 GQPA, ATar GQND, Tidjikja 15th January 16th January
E062 GQND, Tidjikja GQNF, Kiffa 16th January 17th January
E063 GQNF, Kiffa GOSS, Sant Louis 18th January 19th January
E064 GOSS, Tambacounda GOOY, Dakar 19th January 21th January
E065 GOOY, Dakar GCTS, Tenerife Reina Sofia 21th January 31th January
E066 GCTS, Tenerife Reina Sofia LPPT, Lisbon 21th January 31th January
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on January 05, 2008, 03:09:27 pm
Hi mates,

We made an announcement. The Event will continue!


Good luck to everyone! We will keep monitoring it, and don't forget to send your screenshots!!!
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1749 Hector on January 06, 2008, 04:14:25 am
I am not used to complain about the penalties from PP but today I feel I have too.
How can the Pen 018 be applied when the touchdown at Malaga was at 110 kts with less than 300 fpm vertical speed?
Would appreciate any comment on this.
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2131 Bruce on January 06, 2008, 07:51:59 am
ANYone having trouble locking to-days flight  to GMFK??? Bruce EHM 2131
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2097 Andrei on January 06, 2008, 08:27:20 am
Yes, someone else has trouble with this too... me.

When I try to lock the flight, I see the aircraft in LEMG highlighted in green but the click on the tail number gives an empty flight list.

I wonder if there is any problem with the event calendar, it looks like some fellow pilots managed to fly some legs before their scheduled start date. So the "software" calendar may not match the "printed" one.

Andrei
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2131 Bruce on January 06, 2008, 08:33:39 am
Hi Andrei, yes i did see that too there are 2 planes at GMFK now, but you should have not been able to lock them i think until today will wait a few hours and try again, see if any one else gets to fly,  Bruce EHM 2131
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1944 Jaap on January 06, 2008, 10:48:35 am
Can't lock my flight too.Will try again tomorrow,hopefully in the meantime everything is sorted out.
Cheers,
Jaap
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1953 Daniel on January 06, 2008, 10:57:22 am
i really think that there's some problem with the calendar in the propilot system, because i saw the flight yesterday in the locking list but it doesn't show up today.. so the system might think that the last day to fly it was yesterday...?

regards,
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1953 Daniel on January 06, 2008, 11:01:21 am
Quote
Ursprugligen inlagt av EHM-0641 Rico
I just finished the second leg to LEMG.

I was able to lock leg E053. But I do not see a leg from LEMG to Nador..

Are we supposed to fly E053 today also or what..?

if not, what is the ICAO code for Nador?

How do we proceed from LEMG onwards??


and Rico was able to lock the leg yesterday too! i think there is some problems with the leg dates in the propilot system :P

but if that's the case it will shurley be sorted out soon, as it always is =)
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1703 Philip on January 06, 2008, 12:18:12 pm
Hi Guys, okay, trying to clear a few things up.

Quote
Originally posted by EHM-1749 Hector
I am not used to complain about the penalties from PP but today I feel I have too.
How can the Pen 018 be applied when the touchdown at Malaga was at 110 kts with less than 300 fpm vertical speed?
Would appreciate any comment on this.


Hector, The ProPilot system and more specifically the Flight Logger receives all of it's information from Flight Sim via FSUIPC. ProPilot will only penalize you once the Criteria for a penalty has been received from FS. In your case, you recvd a penalty 18 which is:

18 - Maximum load factor (G) allowed - 400.00  - Your airplane suffered a maximum G force of 2.5. Your passengers got very scared!

Therefore, FS has reported to the flight logger that your plane exceeded 2.5 G which is not only caused by a hard landing it is usually extreme movements caused by sharp inputs or a stall etc.

What I am trying to say is that for some reason, your Flight Simulator reported an excessive G rating and that this may have been prior to your landing, like your final approach etc. where if you had made a sharp correction or movement or you had got too slow and tried to correct this by pulling back you would have loaded the plane with excessive G forces.

I will attempt to check the ACARS later if you can give me the flight number that you were on and the date and time of the flight.

As for the calender problems, sorry, Bruno will have to fix them as soon as he gets on. I have emailed him but I am sure he will make the corrections and allow everyone to get to the next stage or catch up so sit tight while I try and get hold of him. Thanks.
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1821 Javier on January 06, 2008, 12:45:45 pm
just to report, I'm having problems locking E053 too :s hope the problem is solved soon
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on January 06, 2008, 03:47:23 pm
Hi,

Nador is the startup route for the next leg, but because it comes from the Malaga Ferryboat we decided to fly direct to Er Rachidia.

So, keep it going boys :) Don't forget to post your screenshots!
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1749 Hector on January 06, 2008, 04:36:03 pm
Hi Phil,
it was on the E052 from Portimao to Malaga, 2008-01-06, 02:52:00 as the report indicates. As for the situation, I received the bip and the message right after touchdown. It was a very smooth approach as you can see in the ACARS. The stall warning was never activated.   The wind was 282/18 and I was landing on RWY32 so it was not a problem.
That's why I am interested in finding out what could have triggered this penalty to be more careful in the future. In fact I wrote a similar message in the Comments section of the PIREP.

BTW, as I am writing this I tried to lock E053 and there is no way to do it but I have seen that the leg was already reported by Rico and Mugur.

Regards,
Hector
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on January 06, 2008, 04:56:38 pm
There was a mistake on the database flights insertion. It's solved. Thanks mates and sorry for the inconvenience.
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2097 Andrei on January 06, 2008, 05:01:46 pm
Thanks Bruno,

Looks like it works all right now.
I locked the flight, must go fly it now.

Andrei
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1953 Daniel on January 06, 2008, 10:23:37 pm
i just landed safely at Er Rachidia =) i flew the leg offline and had a rather strange problem midway somewhere... suddenly i got an automatic weather report from somewhere on the same channel that i had casablanca control or what it was called, so i wasn't able to transmit anything to casablanca because of the automatic weather report hehe :P never occured before for me :P but soon i flew out of range for the weather report and i could transmit as usual again :P got an overspeed penalty too... i was cruising at FL230 at, what the PMDG and presumably Beechcraft themselves call, a High Speed cruise. And it was indeed a high speed cruise with some 30kt tailwind... but somewhere there the wind changed or something bringing my little beech to speed past the little red needle :P will use a little bit more marignals with the speed... din't consider the wind that much, but if i'm flying with the real world weather with updates every 15min, it's bound to happen xD

just wanted to tell you what happened on my little trip =) i think that it's always fun to read about what has happend to you all so :P ;)

good luck with this leg if you haven't flown it yet =) i really like the dakar event :D:D

cheers
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1944 Jaap on January 07, 2008, 05:42:43 am
My Beech CS-DKN is sitting on the tarmac in LEMG and I can not fly the leg to GMFK while the flightlist is still empty.
I am not on the travel mode.
It seems that I need some help here today otherwise the event is over for me.
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2097 Andrei on January 07, 2008, 07:28:29 am
Quote
Originally posted by EHM-1953 Daniel

suddenly i got an automatic weather report from somewhere on the same channel that i had casablanca control or what it was called, so i wasn't able to transmit anything to casablanca because of the automatic weather report hehe :P

Same problem to me, as I decided to fly this leg rather IFR with FS ATC. Only it was not one ATIS, but two! I suppose they have a wrong frequency in FS.

I was disturbed by this not only because of the continuous blah blah (about weather at airports I was NOT interested in), but also because I wanted to take pictures of the mountains I was crossing... without the green message band if possible.

That will teach me: starting now, back to VFR for the next legs!

Andrei
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2180 Mugur on January 07, 2008, 08:18:09 am
For me, the flight to Errachidia brought the ATP rank as I passed with 2 minutes the requested hours for this rank. Its funny to get this highest rank in a small aircraft somwhere in the middle of nowhere....
Anyway...the Dakar event rocks, the landscapes are great and I hope I will not crash my CS-DKO in a windshear landing or an unexpected sundstorm(i fly too with real weather on vatsim). As I also noticed myself, and some of the other pilots above, 'the beech' is very sensitive and the landing should be very smooth in order to avoid penalties...
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1821 Javier on January 07, 2008, 12:28:16 pm
I still cant lock E053 on my B1900D, CS-DKH :s and its already the 7th, i have to go to sleep within 3 hours of this post, unlikely that i can fly tomorrow, early afternoon which i think shld still be on 7th server time as i have school :s
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1953 Daniel on January 07, 2008, 12:35:57 pm
that doesn't sound too good for you guys... is it only you two that can't lock the flight? it seemes rather strange... but i think that someone who's in charge of this can help you and possibly postpone the end date due to the problems....! it doesn't seemes fare that you will have to drop out just because the leg doesn't shows up inte the propilot system...

i think that  this will be solved and it will turn up great at last =)
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1944 Jaap on January 07, 2008, 02:12:37 pm
Thanks Daniel,the only thing I can do today is to sit and wait until management clears everything for us.I have more time left than Javier living more to the west from him,but this waiting is boring.
Cheers,
Jaap
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1749 Hector on January 07, 2008, 03:00:08 pm
It is kind of strange for I landed last night (about 4 am Zulu time) in Errachida and could lock the following flight right after that.
About the B1900D being very sensitive to strong winds, that's true. I can assess that. So be very careful specially in the landings and even during cruise. Keep always in mind that tail winds can become head winds in a matter of seconds and you can go overspeed in a flash because the relative small body mass of the plane. I have flown the plane in real life as an observer (standing for the plane doesn't have a seat for the observer) and the pilot rarely goes over 80% torque on cruise mode. I normally climb with 1600 propeller rpm and 90% torque which puts the fuel flow around 450 pph each engine. At cruise I set the torque between 70 and 80% or whatever setting needed to get 400 pph on each engine. This will give me about 210 KTAS or about 175 KIAS at FL190.
As a matter of fact I always fly on line on IVAO.
For those who are flying the rally for the first time and have the FS default scenery, be aware that there are some small airports where the runway is in a sort of depression relative to the rest of the terrain. My recommendation is to overfly the airport to have a better view of it, like we do in real life when landing in uncontrolled airports to avoid people or animals in the runway.
This is a good event indeed because there are so many different airports and situations that make it very interesting so the best way to succeed is to stay always alert.
The best for all of us.
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2097 Andrei on January 07, 2008, 03:38:30 pm
Thanks, Hector, for the B1900D related information. As a matter of fact I was using roughly the same throttle action, however with less actual knowledge of the plane (and strictly none in real life :) )

About the leg locking, I think it's still not in sync with the schedule. I was able to lock leg 053 yesterday evening after Bruno's message. I also flew the leg yesterday and could not lock leg 054 afterwards. I locked it this morning.

Thus the timing mechanism seems to work, I am sure that leg 054 was unavailable yesterday and become available today. Unfortunately the leg 053 became unavailable at the same time, which is not correct according to the event schedule.

So I think it's a matter of data rather than a "genuine" bug (looks like one day offset to the leg closing time).

As this problem hit pilots still at LPPM (or even LPPT), I am sure it continues for the next legs. Thus my advice to participants that successfully complete a leg: try to lock the next leg AT ONCE!

See you all back in Lisbon (nicely tanned that is :) )

Andrei
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1953 Daniel on January 07, 2008, 04:31:50 pm
yes it something that Andrei says.. And it's indeed very fun to hear what somebody who has flown (even as an observer) the aircraft has to say about it :D
i've never been even close to an B1900 =P but i shure like it anyway. actually i just bought the PMDG version of it for this event =) and now i already has learnt the wind lesson ;)
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1417 Tamas on January 07, 2008, 06:27:20 pm
Hi Bruno!

I flew down the leg today, and I would have liked to take it the next leg Malaga to Er Rachidia.

Aircraft parking on Malaga... and...
Unable locked Legs 053. Current Date January 07. I hope fast reacht and continue fly to Dakar. Pl solve my problem Bruno.

Thank You Mate
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1001 Robert on January 07, 2008, 08:05:19 pm
Good to see you flying on ACARS. I stucked in Lisbon... no flights to Lock at all. Good luck for the rest of the tour ;)
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1944 Jaap on January 07, 2008, 08:10:07 pm
As you can see Tamas here in this thread that Javier and I are having the same problem.I am waiting now for the whole day to start the engines of my Beech.
Cheers,
Jaap
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0641 Rico on January 07, 2008, 10:30:36 pm
Quote
Originally posted by EHM-1953 Daniel
...i flew the leg off line and had a rather strange problem midway somewhere... suddenly i got an automatic weather report from somewhere on the same channel that i had Casablanca control or what it was called, so i wasn't able to transmit anything to Casablanca because of the automatic weather report he he :P never occurred before for me :P but soon i flew out of range for the weather report and i could transmit as usual again :P


I had the exact same thing !!!!!

First I thought it was Active Sky being the problem, but when checked the settings, AS transmit only on 121.00 :P

So definitely some station on the ground along the route ;)
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0641 Rico on January 07, 2008, 10:37:17 pm
Quote
Originally posted by EHM-2097 Andrei
Thus my advice to participants that successfully complete a leg: try to lock the next leg AT ONCE!


Without knowing about the apparent problems that have arisen, that's exactly what I did after each flight... lock the next one for the next day..

I haven't had any problems with the tour so far... ;)
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0641 Rico on January 08, 2008, 06:22:20 am
Me and my big mouth :$

I can't lock Flight E055 for some reason which has to be flown today :o
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2097 Andrei on January 08, 2008, 08:11:06 am
Don't worry Rico, same problem here (I mean the leg 055 AND my own big mouth).

I flew the leg 054 yesterday, tried to lock 055 immediately after, did not work and I expected to be able to lock it this morning. Wrong again :| ...

BTW, has anyone actually locked leg 055? And if one has, when was that?

Andrei
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2131 Bruce on January 08, 2008, 08:28:22 am
HI all, same here, locked 54 at 0700z  yesterday, but cannot lock 55 this morning, attempted to lock it last night around 2200Z but no luck, cannot understand it what time (z) should the calander change, l was not a member last year, how did it work last year ? was it ok then? has been very disapointing  all the trouble for everybody, will try to lock it later Regards to all Bruce EHM 2131
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1944 Jaap on January 08, 2008, 09:06:44 am
Hi Bruce,
Last year we all flew the event witout any problem.I don't know
exactly at what time during the night the day is changed ,anyway with us here in GMT +1 it is not at 2400 hrs.
It is later.
And by the way I am still waiting in LEMG until the problem is solved.
Cheers,
Jaap
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2131 Bruce on January 08, 2008, 12:38:38 pm
Was able to lock E55 at 1238Z Bruce EHM 2131
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on January 08, 2008, 12:39:48 pm
Sorry guys,

There was a mistake on the Guelmim airport ICAO. It's not "GM47" but "GM0A", so the ProPilot system was not discovering that airport.

Please check again. I checked with Rico's account and the flight was possible to be locked.
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0641 Rico on January 08, 2008, 12:47:29 pm
Yup, I just did, thnx very much Bruno ;)

Will fly when I get home from work (1800z)
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1821 Javier on January 08, 2008, 01:03:19 pm
Hey guys,

just finished my homework :] I still can't lock E053 although i suppose its because the dates to fly it are already over? :s I won't mind if i can;t fly the event anymore since my teachers in school are killing the class with tons of homework :]
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2097 Andrei on January 08, 2008, 01:59:42 pm
Works for me too (and I can see more of us have locked the leg 055).
Can't wait this evening to fly it (yes, flying is more fun than locking)

Andrei
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on January 08, 2008, 02:38:49 pm
Hi Javier,

Sorry about the delay, but actually I get here every 3 hours to see if there is any problem on the event.

I think that we will not have any more problems, but let's see how it goes :)
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1944 Jaap on January 08, 2008, 03:02:38 pm
Hi Bruno,
Although I know being one day late I still cannot lock leg 053.
But I have waited already two days here without any luck.I think it would be unfair if I could not go on with the event because its not my fault being late.
Cheers,
Jaap
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2131 Bruce on January 08, 2008, 08:17:38 pm
Hi all, Don't know if it as happend to anybody else., as l was leaving this morning from GMMZ as l passed the fuel station FS9 filled the tanks to 100% i did not notice this until l was airborne, as l did no want to start again as l was short of time, so my pirep has a minus figure for my fuel used. also did anyone have the strong winds, l was on ivao at the time wind of 50Kts at times! Regards Bruce EHM2131
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1001 Robert on January 08, 2008, 09:15:29 pm
It is a bit unusual, as refuelling is automatic only if engines are stopped. Clever FS ;)
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on January 08, 2008, 10:39:46 pm
Hi,

Legs E053, E054 and leg E055 have 9th January as deadline date.

We hope this can cover the inconvencience that we caused.

Regards,
BF
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1749 Hector on January 09, 2008, 05:20:48 am
Well, landing at GM0A has been one of the most challenging for me so far. As I use the FS default scenery it turned out that the runway has no lights and being still dark at that time of the morning the fog was at ground surface. I spent almost 40 minutes circling and after three attempts to land in RWY 23 (winds 290/28) I had to wait for a little bit of sunlight and landed on RWY 05. It was a bless that the runway is 10000' long. I think that the departure from GMMZ should be at leas a couple of hours later.
BTW, could not lock E056.
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1944 Jaap on January 09, 2008, 09:06:01 am
Sorry Bruno to bother you again.
I can still not fly the 053 leg because the flightlist keeps empty when I try to lock the flight.
So the problem is not solved.
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1680 Fanis on January 09, 2008, 09:36:34 am
Hi Bruno,

Well it seems that we're having the same problem again
I 'm unable to lock leg 056 (GM0A-GMMA)
Could you please check it

THNX
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2131 Bruce on January 09, 2008, 04:42:31 pm
same here Fanis have been trying all day to lock 56 too, it as been a problamatic tour so far,  Bruno must be getting fed up with it, we shall all have to wait were we are,  Bruce EHM-2131
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0641 Rico on January 09, 2008, 07:20:39 pm
Quote
Originally posted by EHM-1749 Hector
Well, landing at GM0A has been one of the most challenging for me so far. As I use the FS default scenery it turned out that the runway has no lights and being still dark at that time of the morning the fog was at ground surface. I spent almost 40 minutes circling and after three attempts to land in RWY 23 (winds 290/28) I had to wait for a little bit of sunlight and landed on RWY 05. It was a bless that the runway is 10000' long.


¡ vergacion hermano! tuve el mismo problema !! ;D

Had the same d**n problem :P  fun flight nonetheless ;)

Also unable to lock E056 :|
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2095 Billy on January 09, 2008, 07:30:13 pm
Quote
Originally posted by EHM-1680 Fanis
Hi Bruno,

Well it seems that we're having the same problem again
I 'm unable to lock leg 056 (GM0A-GMMA)
Could you please check it

THNX


Same problem for me. My first time in this tour.....
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on January 10, 2008, 12:04:07 am
GRRRRR !!! Yeap, the departure airport was the bloody GM47 ...

It's solved now. Sorry.
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0641 Rico on January 10, 2008, 04:15:18 am
Bruno m8, I still can't lock E056 neither E057

The list shows up completely empty..

But in the Flogger, I can find the flight and select it and even fly it, but it will not be a ProPilot flight  :s
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1944 Jaap on January 10, 2008, 08:17:58 am
Good morning all,
After having waited 3 days to continue the event I still cannot lock my plane.So I leave it there in LEMG and go back to normal operation.
I wish the rest of you fun and happy landings in the event.
Regards,
Jaap
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2097 Andrei on January 10, 2008, 08:32:09 am
Same problem here as Rico. I think there may be a problem of date/time too because I only tried to lock the flight this morning.

After hearing about Jaap's difficulties I suspect that there is one day difference between the apparent closing dates and what the system actually allows. This is just a wild guess, of course...

Andrei
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1944 Jaap on January 10, 2008, 09:12:19 am
You could be right Andrei.When I landed at LEMG on Saturday I took a look at the flightlist and saw everything filled in. As I wanted to fly PP on Sunday with a B763 I did not lock at that point. When I came back on Monday (the 7th) to lock the Beech the flightlist was empty.And it still is.
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on January 10, 2008, 03:34:35 pm
... checking ...
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1953 Daniel on January 10, 2008, 07:30:41 pm
... and what did you find? ;) still can't fly the leg 056, and the time's up in a couple of hours...
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on January 10, 2008, 11:53:33 pm
Unfortunately it's being hard to find the problem. The flight and airports are well inserted on the database.

.. it's something new here ... hold on mates.
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on January 11, 2008, 12:14:39 am
Argh !!! It's solved!

What a strange bug on mysql 5.0 !! .. I don't know if you guys know mysql queries, but basically MySQL is not understanding the "where end_date >= now()" if we have a end_date = '2008-01-10' :o:o:o:o:o

I think I have discovered a MySQL bug here.

The end date was delayed to tomorrow. Have fun and sorry guys, but it wasn't our mistake directly :(
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2097 Andrei on January 11, 2008, 09:02:27 am
Wow! Landing at Smara was really... intense.

Not only the airport is in a "cauldron", but while flying with real weather I had the nasty surprise to find this cauldron covered with thick clouds, or myst, or sandstorm or whatever. The result was that the runway was visible only AFTER going down into the cauldron.

Managed to land on second attempt while overflying the cauldron edge at less than 50ft height and still got to the runway threshold way above it.

But, like Guelmin, fortunately the runway is long. Really long...

This time, locked next leg without problems (as Hector did too some hours before).

Andrei
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2097 Andrei on January 11, 2008, 09:55:32 pm
Hi, all seems right about locking the tour legs now but I fear a problem ahead.

According to the leg list, one leg (a week away from now) terminates at "GOSS, Saint Louis" and the next one begins at "GOSS, Tambacounda". I thought initially that the two arte synonymous, but happened to notice that Tambacounda is in fact GOTT.

No problem if it's just a typo in the list... as long as the leg database is OK. Just checking...

Thanks
Andrei
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0641 Rico on January 11, 2008, 11:35:28 pm
Bruno,

I experienced the same problem with the Beech as with the F70, the nose dipping on final resulting in a crash.

Dunno if its a scenery glitch ot the plane itself.

Maybe you can reset the flight for me ?

Rgd's
Rico
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1953 Daniel on January 12, 2008, 01:55:45 pm
well, guess that my dakar event is over then... was home just 1h yesterday, and that was only for eating and then i took of again... so i wasn't able to fly the leg on the only day it was available.. Well have fun guys :D
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on January 12, 2008, 03:15:33 pm
Andrei, it's a "typo" bug. Will correct it asap. The word is logically Tabacounda :)

Rico, sorry mate, we don't have spare airplanes for this event :( ....
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1001 Robert on January 12, 2008, 05:56:55 pm
BAMAKO departed ! ;D

The Budapest-Bamako Rallye departed today. Next year, we can organize BAMAKO along with the real event if DAKAR fails again. ;)
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0641 Rico on January 12, 2008, 07:01:27 pm
Too bad, it was fun while it lasted ;)
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-1749 Hector on January 12, 2008, 10:43:30 pm
Sorry about that Rico. You were one hour ahead of me and I thougth you had landed.
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0641 Rico on January 13, 2008, 04:30:26 am
Yeah, tough luck ;)

Looking 4ward 2 the next PP event :)
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2131 Bruce on January 15, 2008, 09:31:31 am
Having just completed the Dakar leg 61, l came to check my flight on acars, this was selected as a proflight bur has not been recorded as such, what do l do now, do l have to fly the leg again, as l flew on line the WX was not good and had to fly about until wx got better to land, any help will be useful Bruce T EHM2131
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2131 Bruce on January 15, 2008, 10:43:40 am
ignore my last post have just reflone the flight as plane was still at departure airport, forfot about that !!!!! Bruce T EHM 2131
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on February 01, 2008, 09:19:40 pm
Hi mates,

The Dakar 2008 event ended!

Congratulations to all that have participated!

We have 5 finalists!!!  The name's are:

Hector Partidas
Bruce Thomas
Billy Moschogiannis
Andrei Vatatescu
Fanis Tsirakis

Congratulations to them!

We are already preparing the next event, so check our forum often ;)

I would also like to apologize (in behalf of the MT) for the technical problems that we had.

.... but at least we made the Dakar! LOL ... ;D

Regards and keep flying safe.
Title: Lisbon Dakar 2008 Event
Post by: EHM-2131 Bruce on February 02, 2008, 02:38:20 pm
Hi Bruno,thanks for the event, looking forward to the next one, l have put together some stats that may be of interest.

Total distance 4295nm


Name                     time (hr)                 fuel (kg)           pen points

Andrei                      23.47                    12727                     00
Fanis                       31.11                     17656                     55
Billy                         18.75                     15226                    350
Hector                     24.18                     18496                    400
Bruce                      20.67                      12258                    900

All taken from Pirep
 Congratulations to all that ended the trip, Regards Bruce T