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Archive => Online Flying => Old Forum => Monthly Fly-in Announcements and Discussions => Topic started by: EHM-2029 Sotiris on February 29, 2008, 10:46:22 pm
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Hello everyone!
This thread will be for everyone to post comments & suggestions regarding our fly-in from Zurich to London City.
We shall be taking our birds from the banking capital of Europe boasting the highest quality of life world-wide and taking them to the financial capital of Europe, the multicultural hub of art, entertainment and culture.
Join us in what promises to be an amazing fly-in, Euroharmony-style.
Some features:
- Brand new A318 planes
- Real life controller at EGLC (Thanks to GB-DIR)
- Steep (5.5 degree) approach into London City
- Brand new version of the immaculate Freez Zurich scenery; now with AES enhancements
Feel free to share your thoughts and comments.
More will follow as we get closer to the event!
Update 02.03.08]
You can now register for the event in the online flying pages under the pilots section, there you will find information about route, flighlevel and links to charts and sceneries.
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Ok Guys,
Time to dust off our Microphones and get together on IVAO!
As Sotiris mentioned above, we have a real world London controller (Gaz the GB-DIR) bringing us in to land for this event. We are trying to secure as much ATC as possible en route for this event and our friends at IVAO are supporting us so lets show them that we can put together a great event.
If anyone would like any training or simply a refresher before the event, please post here and we will organise it for you.
Don't forget if you want to fly it on Propilot you will have to ensure you have an A318 available at Zurich and this may mean flying one in! :)
Hope to see you there!
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Dear Pilots,
You can find details of the event posted on the online pages, alternatively, please SEE HERE! (http://www.fly-euroharmony.com/maarten/view_events/view_event_advanced.php#)
Please don't forget to register for the event if you plan on joining us and also please let us know if you would like some training or further information before the event.
Thanks and regards,
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The link for EGLC scenery on this page http://www.fly-euroharmony.com/maarten/view_events/more_info.php?id=108 does not work ,,, :s
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No probs Rico!
All you have to do is visit HERE (http://files.fsnordic.net/Flight_Simulator/Scenery/Great_Britain/)
and scroll down for London City Airport by Matthew Minstry which is the one for FS9. Added in 2006
Please do not confuse it with the FS8 scenery by Marcelo Lugari.
The whole problem had to do with hotlinking refusal from FSNordic.net
Once you've opened the site the hotlink from the Fly-in page will work.
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Thnx allot m8 .. ;)
If only now I can solve my FreeZ scenery problem :(
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Just to remind everyone to book yourself in for the fly in on the online flying pages HERE (http://www.fly-euroharmony.com/maarten/view_events/view_event_advanced.php), this is so we can let the IVAO divisions know what sort of numbers to expect, the more pilots we guarantee the better chance we have for getting full ATC.
I would also urge you to practice some approaches to EGLC in the A318 if you intend coming, it is a pretty intense landing.
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I will be away that week-end but I hope to return in time for the fly-in.
I practiced with the A318 but not yet the EGLC aproach, as soon as I hve this done I will "officially" register (provided I don't end up TOO deep in the asphalt ;D during practice).
One hesitation though: if the fly-in is successful, is there enough parking room for so many Airbuses at EGLC? If I am not mistaken, the only other "option" is to vacate into the Thames, isn't it?
Andrei
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Andrei,
there's absolutely no problem.
There's 8 ready parking places but in the event of congestion we can also use the East GA apron to fit a couple more.
As for the approach, you can also try and limit the amount of cargo you carry and of course, don't start with 100% fuel for a flight that is only 1:30.
This will effectively lower your Vref to very manageable levels.
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Originally posted by EHM-2029 Sotiris
As for the approach, you can also try and limit the amount of cargo you carry and of course, don't start with 100% fuel for a flight that is only 1:30.
Rats! So bad for my cunning plan to smuggle jet fuel into UK ;D using this fly-in as a cover-up
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Gents,
The flight has been inserted in to the database so you can fly this event with ProPilot should there be sufficient available planes to lock at Zurich. (You may have to fly one in for the event yourself!) You can also use this flight should you wish to have a practice run at the steep approach in to London City.
Flight Number: B364
Departure: LSZH
Destination: EGLC
The return leg is also in the Database as B365. Don't forget, you will need to press the update button on your flight logger to see have these flights available.
Safe landings! :P
Phil
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Originally posted by EHM-2029 Sotiris
Andrei,
there's absolutely no problem.
There's 8 ready parking places but in the event of congestion we can also use the East GA apron to fit a couple more.
As for the approach, you can also try and limit the amount of cargo you carry and of course, don't start with 100% fuel for a flight that is only 1:30.
This will effectively lower your Vref to very manageable levels.
And if we fill the apron at EGLC I'll makea touch and go and divert to EGLL.
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Has British Airways got no shame...???
It looks like they're intent on copying all our best ideas - just look here (http://www.londoncityairport.com/index.php?mode=news&action=showStory&sId=1074) ;D
If we get a good turnout for the Flyin, maybe they'll realise there's no room left at EGLC for their BabyBusses ;)
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I did a practice run, then finally registered for the event. As the LSZH-EGLC route was not "databased" yet, I flew the LFSB-EGLC route which is roughly 98% the same.
For realism, besides of real weather I practiced some holds on approach (though I am sure Gaz may still have more surprises in store for us :) ). Everything went uneventful until I reached the now famous 5.5 degrees glideslope.
It feels SO strange! Everything (but the instruments :) ) is literally shouting "you're too high, go around". No problem though, but I think I should proceed to another practice run this week, just to be sure.
Originally posted by EHM-1651 Christian
And if we fill the apron at EGLC I'll make a touch and go and divert to EGLL.
Hmm... Good idea, but to put in practice I must not forget to take charts for EGLL too. Though ANY apron is better than the Thames anyway.
Andrei
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**UPDATE**
Sotiris has had confirmation that we will not only have a Controller for our approach to EGLC but we will now also have ATC for our departure from Zurich.
If you want to take part, please register at the Online Page HERE (http://www.fly-euroharmony.com/maarten/view_events/view_event_advanced.php)
We hope to see you there!
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Second (and probably last) practice run before the fly-in.
Real weather pretty bad tonight, hope we get something better on Sunday. Strong headwind all the way, then wind and turbulence above London.
I tried as usual to fly the published procedure (for runway 28), but I did not time properly the turn into finals and ended up on the glideslope before the localizer. Normally I manage to "recover" from this condition but, be warned, with the 5.5 degrees glideslope this seems close to impossible.
So I had to practice the missed approach too, then the second time I got the turns better and got properly established. And still the landing itself, in "manual" mode, was difficult due to variable winds and the already famous 5.5 degrees. Parked the Airbus in one piece though, which at EGLC means success. I guess...
One important conclusion is that the standard procedure is "tight" (as everything is at EGLC), while "friendly" vectoring can make the approach way easier. So, my advice: be nice to Gaz, folks!
See you all on Sunday
Andrei
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I am just going to do a final test run online myself.... :) I will let you know how it goes....
**EDIT** Flight Canceled due to weather at the destination oh and Bruno intervening to train me on the websites cPanel! :)
Will try again tomorrow!
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IMPORTANT EVENT NOTAM
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If you are planning on joining the event please familiarize yourself with following Airbus document.
A318 Steep Approach guide. (http://www.smartcockpit.com/data/pdfs/plane/airbus/A320/misc/A318_Steep_Approach_Operations.pdf)
Our aircraft does not have the same messages and systems and is not modeled for the steep approach therefore I suggest approach with Full Speed brakes, (instead of the A318's actual speed brake 3 & 4 engaged automatically) Full Flaps and gear down when intercepting the GS.
Regards,
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Can I register last minute? :P
My computer is a mess and Ive never flown either the A318 nor into EGLC, so Im not sure if I'll be done with fixing it and getting practice by sunday...
Id like to join though I havent been online for the longest time... University interfering -_-
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Hi Mariano,
OF COURSE.
Feel free to register and you are ALWAYS welcome to join us in the Fly-in. Even if you still have problems with the pc it is no reason not to register.
We will be expecting and hope your pc can be cured until then :)
All the best mate
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I'm not registering for the fly-in itself (as the MT know I have a rather big development task on this weekend) and I too don't have the A318 installed (and to be honest, I also don't like 'Buses) but if I can get the development finished in time I'm going to loiter with intent over the skies of my home nation's capital in the one third-party plane I've got for FSX - the Cessna 337 SkyMaster (seen Bat21? The plane Danny Glover is flying is the military variant of the SkyMaster)
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In this case Murray,
why don't you hop on a heli with your camera in hand and immortalise the event for us?
(And if the Augusta is too hard go for a Hovercontrol variant with auto hover which should simplify things)
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Well, I did a further practice run in my WILCO A318 last night..... Ouch!!!! I stopped with about 5 feet to spare and had to use the turning circle to turn round and get back to the apron!!!!
The problem really is speed.... I made my first approach and hit the GS doing 140 KIAS at about 3.5 miles @ 2000ft..... I just could not bleed the speed off.... I was doing 145 by the time I reached the runway and with my fuel and load I had a VLS of 103 which as per the Airbus document should have meant I was doing roughly 110 KIAS on touchdown.... Here is the tricky part, the computers won't let you deploy speed brakes during an ILS decent.... Of course the Wilco Model does not have the "Steep Appr" button that the real A318's have that are certified for EGLC and that software algorithm amongst other things, automatically deploys 2 out of the 4 spoilers which allow you to bleed off speed whilst on the ILS GS.
So around I went, following the published missed and started my approach out at 10nm, this time though, at 10nm i was doing 160, I hit the brakes and by the time I intercepted the GS at 4nm, I was doing 120. After a very hairy approach which must be a real adrenaline rush in real life, I touched down fast at 122 KIAS...... Suffice to say, I have the utmost respect for the Real World pilots who are going to start doing this for real soon when A318 operations commence at EGLC!
My main concern is we are going to need to space ourselves out during the flight so when we hit Gaz at EGLC Approach we have sufficient spacing to allow for this slow descent.
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My main concern is we are going to need to space ourselves out during the flight so when we hit Gaz at EGLC Approach we have sufficient spacing to allow for this slow descent.
And this is why I have been practicing holdings :) , there are 3 of them published along the way (including over LCY).
I think this should give APP enough manoeuvering space and I think it is more realistic than the bunch of us trying to "optimize" spacing in a manner not coordinated with the ATC (yes, I suggest we risk to make spacing just worse).
As for the Wilco A318... As I said previously, I like it but don't trust it enough for online flying. And I bet that using its autoland with 5.5 degree glideslope is a recipe for disaster. So, if all this is about hand flying the short finals, I'll stick to the official EHM iFDG model as I got used to the flight dynamics.
Back too my favorite topic, that is parking space at EGLC. We are 13 (for luck) registered participants plus anyone else willing to join (remember we had some positive feedback after the IVAO forum announcement). I think we should plan that once we get on blocks, the first ones to arrive just disconnect to make room for the others.
Or... equip our A318s with floats ;D
See you tomorrow
Andrei
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Well gentlemen, I wish the very best for all of you. Unfortunately, I cannot participate in this event for my laptop's lack of capacity to handle non-default scenery and I don't want to mess the whole thing up getting 5 fps in final.
Happy landings to you all.
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Originally posted by EHM-2097 Andrei
Back too my favorite topic, that is parking space at EGLC. We are 13 (for luck) registered participants plus anyone else willing to join (remember we had some positive feedback after the IVAO forum announcement).
As you can all see from the charts (I hope you have downloaded the charts and read them already, yeah?) there are 13 positions for normal medium planes plus the GA Apron for anyone else who wishes to join on the day.
So case solved on this one.
Now, on to the other topic:
Originally posted by EHM-1703 Philip
...Suffice to say, I have the utmost respect for the Real World pilots who are going to start doing this for real soon when A318 operations commence at EGLC!
Well what do you think about the pilots that do this 8 times daily with the RJ-100 that has NO AUTOTHROTTLE!!!
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Ok mates I dont know if Im gonna make it, it seems an whale took a sh*t on me today... Both my laptop and my dekstop are having problems, network, cd rom issues, plus I gotta reinstall FS9 cos my copy isnt "registered" since I reinstalled windows (It runs, but IVAO will refuse to install on it cos it doesnt find the path on the registry)
So much to do >.<
Sorry bout the rant... :P
Hope to join you tomorrow and if not, happy flight everyone.
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Originally posted by EHM-2029 Sotiris
Well what do you think about the pilots that do this 8 times daily with the RJ-100 that has NO AUTOTHROTTLE!!!
heheheh The RJ100 is a baby Elephant with 4 hairdryers strapped to it.... the A318 is a Hippo with reheat!!!!
I think the Jumbalino's flight dynamics lend themselves to this approach more, that and that very effective tail brake!!!
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Which texture are we using for the fly in? Our A320?
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There is a EuroBusiness A318 Elite available at the download pages.... Here is the direct link.... (if you have the page cached you may have to press F5 or Shift F5 to get it to show up depending on what browser you use!)
http://www.fly-euroharmony.com/site/fleet_docs/version2/b_a318.html
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Oh I meant in IVAO, like which texture from the MTL do we chose?
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See you all in a few hours :)
I will make sure I put enough distance between you all on the ILS :P
Just in case you aren't aware, the speed restrictions on final approach you have to follow at City is 160kts until 6DME - So don't slow down too early! :)
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Thanks Gaz, I just have a really bad feeling that I am going to have to have a couple of goes at it!!! LOL
Sorry Mariano, I think the best texture will be the Airbus House colours as this plane is not in the MTL or like you say, the A320 would be good but make sure you keep the type as an A318. (It will make the parking a bit tighter and might end up in the buildings as I am not sure the Apron will hold an A318.
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FYI guys, we are on EHM TS server and will be switching to IVAO in about 5 min.
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Sorry guys, just blew it up... somehow.
Not sure what happened, I was climbing at 290KIAS and 2500fpm, the next time I checked the airspeed was 340 and increasing fast, I did not manage to get it back down in time.
It's funny because it did not look like a sudden wind change, I "felt" nothing just the airspeed going wild. So I may be responsible for this after all not the weather.
Trying to do better next time ( better than this should not be hard :'( )
Andrei
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Have good flight guys !
According to ActiveSky, there is 13kts sidewind, and a bit cloudy over London City ! Take care on approach. ;)
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Well, I blew the landing.... Set Autobrakes Min instead of Autobrakes MAX by mistake and ended up getting my feet wet, forunately everyone on board could swim. ;)
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That was a fun event, thanks everyone who participated, I will be posting my few shots as soon as I got time to convert them and upload them
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Hot off the press, album of the pics i got is to be found here:
Fly-in Collection (http://s116.photobucket.com/albums/o9/EHM2029/CYUX/EuroBusiness%20Fly-in/)
Enjoy and many thanks to all participants :)
Special mention to Carl from FlyUK who joined in as well.
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Thanks everyone for this EVENT was a super fun flight..!!!!!!
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Just one thing guys, which flight number do we use for manual PIREP? 9999?
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Hi Mariano,
that is correct mate. EHM-9999 is the standard PiRep number we give to our fly-ins.
Had you flown it with PP it would have been a different one but for all manual offline reports 9999 is good to go.
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Ok so PIREP is filed and here are my few shots I got from the ground. Please remember I was like the 3rd last to land with Peter right behind me so I didnt catch his approach.
The album is located at http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc130/marianopicco/fly%20in/
Id post the images here but its probably too big and would lag everyone
Enjoy and see you next time!