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Archive => ProPilot => Old Forum => ProPilot Events => Topic started by: EHM-1703 Philip on March 19, 2008, 11:25:25 pm
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Hello Pilots.
As you now know, the next ProPilot event has been announced and the official event pages will be available soon.
As always Pre-Booking of planes is essential during our ProPilot events so if you are interested in taking part in the event, please book a plane by sending an Email to our Fleet Development Captain, Robert. His email address is:
robert@fly-euroharmony.com (robert@fly-euroharmony.com)
IMPORTANT Planes may only be booked by emailing Robert and requesting that a plane is locked for you in Stockholm. DO NOT POST REQUESTS FOR PLANES IN THE FORUMS as your request could easily get missed.
More details about the event will be forthcoming but to help you decide whether you want to take part here are some points about the event:
1) The event will consist of 9 legs of varying lengths, but the majority will be around 1 - 3 hours in duration with the exception of two long haul legs which we anticipate being abut 4-5 Hours in duration.
2) The event will take place over 5 weeks and flights will be scheduled as follows:
First week – 2 Legs
Second Week – 2 Legs
Third Week - 1 Legs (Long Haul)
Fourth Week – 1 Legs (Long Haul)
Fifth Week – 3 Legs
3) Planes will be locked to the pilot and only one plane will be issued for the duration of the event. Please take care of our old museum aircraft!
4) Legs must be flown in order and can only be flown for up to one week after the leg initially becomes active.
As mentioned, more details and the event page will be available soon but I would urge all interested pilots to register for a plane with Robert as the event starts in 10 days! If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to post a comment here.
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I'm sorry guys, I cannot make this one. I will be in Croatia during the first two legs:[
Have fun everyone else!
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To help you prepare for this Event I suggest you have a look at the following videos by a German simpilot called Johann who has posted a very helpful tutorial series on the Delco Carousel INS at Youtube...
Although the manuals that come with the INS are very good, some of you may find the videos more helpful at demonstrating how to get it all working! And although Johann has his INS fitted in a Lockheed L1011, the tutorial is completely valid for its use on our DC-8 ;)
It takes a little while to get used to but the INS is very easy to use after the first couple of practice runs ;)
Part 1 of the tutorial here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF0-ZbvjrEw)
Part 2 here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIR9-n-6KnU)
Part 3 here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd9TWI1sOWQ)
Part 4 here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOuClh2CDBA)
Have fun!
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Hey man, that is fantastic ! What a pleasurable way to learn ;D
Just 2 addition:
1. For an INS you need a perfectly filled flightplan with all the waypoint coordinates and leg distances... we will provide it for the Event. The best is still to have enroute charts too ! Also uncheck GPS and RNAV equipments while flying online, and so the ATC guys will take care of you more ;)
2. To do a DME update, you need to search your maps and find a VOR radio station which is in range, and its position is known to you ! If you decide to update INS1 (left), then tune the radio freq on NAV1 radio. Of course if you decide to update INS2 (right), then tune your NAV2 radio. Update happens until you keep the frequency. If you tune your radio to a new frequency, or the station got out of range, the update process is over. If you selected a station too close, maybe the system will not have enough time to settle down to precision index 1. And do not be afraid, because each INS relies on the same gyroscopes: if you update 1, the other will follow its precision too with a little time delay. ;)
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And you can now register for the usual first leg fly-in. For more info and registration for the fly-in see: Here (http://www.euroharmony.com/maarten/view_events/more_info.php?id=112)
Remember this registration is only for the fly-in. To register an aircraft for the event send an e-mail to:
robert@fly-euroharmony.com
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Christian.
Please, register me for the initial Fly-inn. I hope I'll have a time to join the company. I adore this DC 8, but the old boy is full of flying surprises and tricks. See you all!
Peter
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The event page is LIVE ! You can start planning the flights ;)
(http://www.fly-euroharmony.com/site/events/DC-8/images/schedule.jpg)
By this small chart you can imagine how much freetime will you have along the Event, and you can desire what days can you fly each legs.
So far we have 7 plane registrations for the Event. There will be enough spares for this one, for those too who might fancy to join after the launch day ;) Registration will be held until the end of 1st week.
And another news: The FSX version of the DC-8 was put up too to the Fleet page. It was tested under FSX SP1.
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I've got exams coming up at late april/early may, but i'll still join!! ;D
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That's good to hear Javier, as you can see from the event page, the legs are not huge, this is not like the F1 event of last year and some of the short legs are, well, short! LOL
I don't think this will be a taxing event from the time aspect but more from the flying aspect. The DC8 really does not fly anything like a 737 or A320 and the INS needs some working out! It should be great event with everyone getting the chance to finish it whilst learning some new skills on an old bird!
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I did "my" practice flight yesterday (planned EHAM-LROP but after I was happy with the results I got with the INS, I shortened it and landed at LKPR).
The INS navigation really makes it all very different from anything I knew. The accuracy degradation makes a huge difference from the FS-GPS that is by definition 100% accurate for ever.
INS commands are not very intuitive, especially the DME update part, but by checking ALL documents from the developers site I eventually learned how to do it.
The autopilot is a little weird too, especially as I did this first flight before reading the tutorial in the EHM event page (shame on me :) ), but common sense and experimentation helped sort it out quickly.
One last thing that surprised me was that this bird seems very difficult to get down. Even when leveling after descent, with the throttles close to idle, the speed was very slow to decrease.
But now that I am aware of these particularities of the aircraft, I can hardly wait for the next Sunday!
Andrei
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Well, I think we might speaking too much about INS, INS ... ;D
If somebody would afraid this airplane and the Event would mean too much difficulty for him, I can say do not be afraid ! The airplane is equipped with the standard GPS too. If you would like to use that and the inbuilt Flightplanner, you can still join the Event ! It is your choice and only a matter of realism level how would you like to fly!
The DC-8 is a Boeing 767 size aircraft, and flies like a real heavy airplane, but apart from some differences in the systems, the airplane is easy to handle.
To fly with INS is not a mandatory at all. You can fly as you wish. But anyway, INS is really easy, and a handy tool on long flights and ocean crossing ;) A half FMS/FMC computer...
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Hi, Robert
I have sent two emails to get registered in the event but have not received the confirmation yet. My only problem is that I will be in Bogota on business from April 7 to 12 so my only chance to fly legs 3 and 4 is April 6. Other than that everything look good.
A word for the DC8. Eventhough this is the 30 Series it has similar flying characteristics of the 60 Series I am used to with main difference in the double rotation for the last.
Plan the descent with no more than 1500 fpm and remember that the use of spoilers to break speed is not allowed.
Be very cautious on approaches. Remember that she doesn't have reverse trust neither auto brakes. Another important thing is that if you find yourself too high in the short final, DO NOT push the plane down for she will fly like a piano and you will have no time to recover. If this situation arises, it is wiser to perform a go around.
A final hint for the INS alignment: The alignment of the INS is movement dependant. Even if there are strong winds at the airport it can slow the process. So, it is much better and faster to select calm weather in FS and after the alignment is completed then get connected.
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So far we have 12 registrations. Confirmation mails were sent out ;)
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Trial flight - difficult to fly, have to plan landing carefully. INS works well, but takes a lot of time to get used to!
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Hi everyone, just a reminder:
The event starts this sunday 30th of March, and you can join in reardless of which class you are or you have just signed up with us here at Euroharmony.
We will also have a fly-in on Sunday the 30th of March, and in good Euroharmony tradition we fly the first leg online as many as possible.
Please come and join us in the event.
Happy landings;)
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Is this event a PP one? Will the DC8 be added to the FLogger database?
Hector
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Hi Hector,
Yes it is a PP event and the DC8 will be available in the PP database soon when the tail numbers are locked.
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Phew, just made it in I think, sent an email two minutes ago :)
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Airplanes inserted ;)
Registration (robert@fly-euroharmony.com) is held until 01.April Wednesday, and this is not a joke :) ! Also this is the (only) day, when we will insert spare planes for those who were might unlucky and crashed already on the 1st two legs.
Good luck lads !
Edit: We have 16 participants, almost all ATPs ! This is going to be a professional Event ;D Anyway, do not forget to try her on a test flight with some touch-n-go's at the end before attempting to fly her on ProPilot ;)
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Hi Robert,
Where have your inserted planes gone.
Nothing yet in my PP fleetlist.
Or am I doing something wrong.
Cheers,
Jaap
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Jaap, the planes are there but you will have to change the list to 99 lines of planes as there are so many planes parked at ESSA the default search only shows 30.
You can not lock the flight yet as the event does not start until tomorrow.
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Ok Philip,I did find my beauty ;D
I wish all my fellow pilots in the event lots of fun and happy landings.
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The event is open.... Make sure you get plenty of Screen Shots and most of all ENJOY the event.
Don't forget, a fly in is taking place tonight for the first leg if you would like to join, it will begin from ESSA at 1800z. (Don't forget, European Summertime begins today but Zulu time remains the same)
Good luck and see you in Santiago de Chile!
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Well done to Jaap who was the first to fly the DC8 on this event, did you have any trouble? I am just in preflight myself now! :)
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No problems at all.Got used to this plane after many traingsflights.
Landing this bird is quite special, but fun to do.;)
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i just tried out the INS again on a training flight, im flying along the route of the first leg, but when i try to update the INS, i followed the instructions on the tutorial video, Nav 2 radio set, tried to click 7 and 9 but nothing happens, any ideas?
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You need to do it with RIGHT clicks ! ;)
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How can I get 55 points penalty for not setting to standard pressure at 18000 if I did it at 5000 which is the TA for ESSA?
Maybe PP doesn't recognize manual settings so no matter what the TA is so we still need to press B at 18000?
Anyhow, I will do it from now and on!:%
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Yes, you need to press the B button upon passing 18000ft, even if you have set it lower to 2992mb
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Thanks Christian, I will do it.
BTW, I couldn't connect to EHM TS. Jaap mentioned to do it through the webpage. How can I do it? Thanks in advance.
Hector
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Hi Hector,
The quickest way to connect to the EHM TS server is to open up the Teamspeak 2 application.
Under the Connection menu, click Connect. That should bring up a new window to "Connect to Server".
Right click in the main pane where it says "-Servers" and then select add a server, it will give you a new server name, rename it something like EHM and then press enter.
Click on the server name you have just added and then you should have a list of options on the right hand side.
Under server address type: teamspeak.fly-euroharmony.com
and then add your Id and first name as your nickname, eg EHM1749-Hector
then press connect and hey presto you are in!
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Thanks Phil. Just did it and works fine.
It's my fault I did not ask for this long time ago.
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No Problem, it is normally a very quiet place, it would be nice if we could get a bit more activity in there! :)
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Originally posted by EHM-1001 Robert
You need to do it with RIGHT clicks ! ;)
both right clicks? or just the first one? cause' thats what i did :]
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2 RIGHT ;)
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Thanks Robert!!
Now just to clarify, do i have to use the 1st waypoint in the INS to click the coordinates for updating it or can i use any of the 9?
can i only use a waypoint that i have passed?
and can i use a VOR/DME thats a waypoint along my route or do i have to use a VOR/DME not in my route?
Thanks!
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Javier,
You must use a VOR DME station, because the INS will update its position from the radio signals it receives through the NAV radios. It is preferrable to use a VOR station offside your route, because the distance changes more slowly than it would be along your route. The updating is advised at every some 500 nm. Therefore we inserted the green UPD rows to the flightplan with an available VOR station, so you do not need a map to look for one. ;)
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Thanks for sharing the links explaining how to use the INS.
Worked fine and I also used the INS for the first time. This event seems promissing I already liked the first two legs.
Here are two screenshotsfrom my ESSA -> EKCH leg.
Thanks and cheers
Sven
Approaching EKCH
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/9624/ekchka7.jpg)
Touch down
(http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/130/ekch01ol4.jpg)
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Originally posted by EHM-1001 Robert
Javier,
You must use a VOR DME station, because the INS will update its position from the radio signals it receives through the NAV radios. It is preferrable to use a VOR station offside your route, because the distance changes more slowly than it would be along your route. The updating is advised at every some 500 nm. Therefore we inserted the green UPD rows to the flightplan with an available VOR station, so you do not need a map to look for one. ;)
thanks much Robert! I'll maybe fly the flight one after the other this weekend, too much work in school :]
Nice landing Sven! In that first picture, whats that "spike" to the left of the airport? :o
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Originally posted by EHM-1821 Javier
Nice landing Sven! In that first picture, whats that "spike" to the left of the airport? :o
That should be the Oresund Bridge connecting Denmark with Sweden.
Cheers Sven
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I guessed we would see it on the right side, and not to mention that near the airport it is ended in a tunnel ! ;D
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Originally posted by EHM-1001 Robert
I guessed we would see it on the right side, and not to mention that near the airport it is ended in a tunnel ! ;D
Yes yes, your right!
Flightsim hey! Not everything shown there is correct ;)
The Oresund Bridge is the only bridge near the airport I thought of. So which one could that be? I can't see any other bridges on Satelite photos.
Cheers Sven
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Originally posted by EHM-2244 SvenThe Oresund Bridge is the only bridge near the airport I thought of. So which one could that be? I can't see any other bridges on Satelite photos.
Not all bridges displayed in FS are "physical" bridges. I noticed a lot of "bridges" across the Danube in places where roads are discontinued but linked by ferry. So I think it's related to the way roads and railroads are defined in FS, if it thinks it's the same road a bridge is displayed whenever a water body is to be crossed.
It's true that the strait between Sweden and Denmark is "slightly" wider than the Danube River, but this is the only explanation I can think of. Except if bridge construction projects occur REALLY fast nowadays ;D
Andrei
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ah, that explains it :]
btw, does anyone have the fuel burn numbers for this old jet? need for my flight planning and im lazy to calculate the fuel burn myself hehe :]
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Just about to fly the first flight just now, but when i updated FL, i got:
Run-time error '-2147217887 (80040e21)':
Multiple-step operation generated errors. Check each status value
did a search on the forum but i still dont know how to solve it :s any ideas? :]
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Hello Javier ! I think there was a version which produced such error at update. Do you have the latest version installed ? (First remove the old one ;) )
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Just a hint: the freeware scenery of Ruzyne contains invisible blocks near the beautiful airways. Take care on the apron !
EDIT: Arrived to Ruzyne ! ;D I found a mistake in the aircraft CFG. The DC-8 is not set as Heavy, but it is ! Modify the Aircraft.CFG at the following line:
atc_heavy=1
This way you will get the proper size of gate after arrival ;)
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Hi Javier
I had the same problem today, but after a re-boot it worked fine.
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Fuel numbers:
First hour: 18-21000 lbs including climb and taxi
Every hour at cruise: 14-16000 depending on wind conditions
Descent: 8-10000 depending on traffic and including taxi to terminal.
I don't want to be a pain in the neck but next Sunday 6 evening I will take a plane to Bogota, Colombia and expect to be back the following Saturday late night.
Since I am already in Geneve, I hope that for Sunday early morning the leg for Lisbon will be available. It is my only chance.
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Originally posted by EHM-1001 Robert
Hello Javier ! I think there was a version which produced such error at update. Do you have the latest version installed ? (First remove the old one ;) )
v3.0.9 installed when i got the error, tried reinstalling on the same and on a different drive, no difference :s
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Jav, which version of FS are you using at present, and which version of Windows are you running the FLogger under?
By the same token, do you have a single or multi-PC setup?
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FS9, not sure if i have 9.1, Windows XP Home and a Single PC Setup
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Javier,
Stand by this is a problem in the database.
Murray, We had this problem before when there was an incorrect country code inserted somewhere, i don't know how Bruno found it or where it was exactly but I pressed the update button this morning and I am now having the same problem.
Can you take a look and see if anything stands out, it must be something that has been added in to the DB in the last week as the problem did not occur previously, maybe something to do with the "add/edit aircraft feature"?????
**EDIT it only occurs for me when I press the update button!
Cheers,
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Yes, I'm getting it as well this morning. I've gone into the aircraft table and removed the one record I know I added while testing the fleet management scripts and that's not fixed this, so I'm at a little bit of a loss as to what's gone wrong where...
Leave it with me for now though.
@Jav, I've not been paying a great deal of attention to this event (not taking part). Are you in any danger of missing the closing date on a flight?
UPDATE: Fixed! I'll raise the cause in the MT forum Phil. Jav, away you go ;)
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Thanks for fixing it so quickly mate, you should be a member of international rescue! :)
Javier, if you get any more trouble, let us know. :)
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Thanks guys! Just enough to complete the 2 flights in 1 shot! ;D
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d**n, got some error when i tried to submit the PIREP but the site database thingy was down, now its up again but FL says there isisnt enough ACARS info :s
I didnt lose connection during the flight so i dont know what went wrong, the plane is still back at Stockholm, looks like im going to have to re-fly buti dont think i have the time though :%
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Don't quote me or take this as gospel, but I think the site (or one of the many things that makes it all work) may have crashed and restarted itself... For a short while about 10 minutes ago I couldn't connect with my IDE (development tool) either. Given all the problems you've faced today, I'd be happy to extend the closing date on whichever leg it is you're "stuck" on.
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the previous post was the first leg, is it possible to send the ACARS and PIREP over and somehow recalculate my PP score and moving the plane to EKCH? I'm tired to flying ESSA - EKCH again :] if its not possible, i'll just fly it again tomorrow :]
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Unfortunately, with the way PP currently works, that's not possible. I'll make sure that the first leg is still available to you for tomorrow though.
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alright then, thanks murray! I'll be heading off to bed now :]
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NN, both legs extended to 2008-04-06, so make sure you fly them both tomorrow. ;D
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Murray,
will the extension of these legs affect the start of the one to Lisbon?
My only chance to fly it is tomorrow morning as I am taking a flight to Bogota in the evening. Will be back on the 12th.
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Hi Hector,
if you can lock it you can fly it. so go right ahead :)
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How unlucky can i get... I was on descent, about 70nm to EKCH, then all of a sudden, FS CTD... :@
getting frustrated flying this 1 leg already lol
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L'histoire se repete or in english the past is coming back to me.
As it is the 6th of april I wanted to fly to LSGG today with my beauty.
But guess what:(like what happened to me in the last Dakar event) nothing filled in on the possible airplane flights pageof PP.
So I am stuck on LKPR :$
Please help
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Jaap, bare with us, we are sorting it out.... It should be fixed soon!
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A simple typo that took a little longer than it should have to correct, but everything should be fine now Jaap.
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Ok gentlemen,thanks.
Starting engine no 3 ;D
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Sorry I couldn't join guys. Even if I wasn't on holiday during the first few legs, I've got exams later and have to study hard:[
Good luck to all the participants!
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You wonder which is the most stupid thing to do during an EHM event? Well, don't any longer because I just did it last week-end...
My intention was to fly the event leg to Geneve (and possibly the one to Lisbon too) last Sunday. With this in mind, guess what I decided to do on Saturday afternoon? A ProPilot flight to ATLANTA. If you don't get the catch yet, imagine what happened a little later when I tried to lock the event leg to Prague... the travelling mode rule, of course!
I was aware of this rule but was never "hit" by it so I let it slip off my mind. Won't happen again, I swear.
I spent the next hour trying to devise some plan that would get me to Prague, which was a little difficult too as I am not familiar enough with the class 7 aircraft to fly these on ProPilot.
Note that it was only my 2nd ProPilot flight outside Europe, but it had to happen that day. This is some bad luck!
Finally I found a working plan: KATL-EHAM with an A310 then EHAM-LKPR with a F70. These aircraft were available, but this would require me to fly all night - so I gave up.
I did not dare to tell my sad story before I finally flew the event leg to Geneva yesterday, now it looks more funny than annoying.
Just make sure you do not as I did - or face the consequences ;D
Andrei
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And do not forget to set INS to NAV mode before pushback ! I realized both my INS were gone crazy while wanted to turn them on mid-air... Those were still in Align while I started taxi, but I hoped that small movement will not effect the performance ;) I was wrong, and I had to fly the route to Geneva following VOR stations :s ... at least the flight was short and the flightplan was ready ;D
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Uuuugh. Due to my inconvenient divorce-swapping-houses thing going on I couldn't fly the first leg in time... had it all planned out too :|
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My flight to Monrovia was .. different lol fun though :)
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HAHAHA... FSP has Monrovia as a war zone then????
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lol yeah it does, if it was a 'real' flight, I would have 2 engines left, no hydraulics, no windows and all passengers would be dead ;)
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I have just landed at Lisbon in the middle of a thunderstorm. There was 20kts headwind with 30kts gusts. Although I did not feel, FL reported overstress on landing, so I collected 1000 penalty points ;D An AI EHM A330 just landed ahead of me... they made it too, but I think the airport was closed behind us... I think the airplane well deserves a bit longer resting on the Portela apron before flying over the Ocean.
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How was the route to Monrovia ?
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Not too bad, had a few little hickups but nothing major, I was lucky with the weather, one word of advise though stay away from the higher altitudes if you are running ASV, the winds could kill your fuel economy
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Thx Jay. I used to fly her at most FL320.
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After all the marvelous job done with this beautiful machine, I consider it would be a lack of respect to just leave her in Santiago. I hereby submit before EHM MT and community to bring her back to ESSA to be placed where she belongs to.
It can be done either as a scheduled or non scheduled event. I have worked two possible routes: (the airports with asterik are not in the timetable)
Route A: Santiago, Isla de Pascua (SCIP), Tahiti (NTAA), Nadi (NFFN), Port Moresby* (AYPY), Darwin* (YPDN), Kuala Lumpur (WMKK), Indira Gandhi Intl (VIDP), Baku* (UBBB), ESSA.
Total mileage is about 16800 NM with the longest leg being Isla de Pascua-Tahiti (2300NM) and the shortest one Port Moresby-Darwin (1000 NM).
Route B: Santiago, Lima (SPIM), Maracaibo*(SVMC), Atlanta (we will be entertained there by our hub mates), Gander (CYQX), ESSA.
Total mileage is about 8400NM (exactly half of Route A) with the longest one being Gander-Arlanda (2500NM) and the shortest one Santiago-Lima (1385).
Note: Maracaibo (SVMC) could be replaced by Maiquetia (SVMI) that is the timetable but I would be very sad no to be able to land at last in my hometown flying an EHM plane.:$. On the other hand Maiquetia would add an out of bugdet 100 NM to the route.
Note 2: the fact that we would be able to be entertained in Atlanta should not alter your choice. Think in 6 nights and 7 days in Tahiti.;D
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OK Hector,I will anyway fly together with you.
Maiquetia is ok as long as I am allowed to go for a short stop to my former home Curacao ;)
Just hope that we can have this fun.
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As today is the 21st of April I wanted to prepare my flight GLRB-SBGL.
However when I try to lock the flight nothing is filled in (yet) on the PP page Possible Airplane Flights.
Please help.
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Hi Jaap,
The Server was not on the 21st when you posted this. (the date and time of your post say 23:05 on 20-4-08) It is on Zulu time so please try again now as the server time is now past midnight and therefore the server is on 21st now.
Cheers
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Morning Philip,I could have known it,so everything ok now.
Thanks,starting up engine no 3 again.
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No Problem, at least on this server we actually know what time zone it is on! :)
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I am ticked off to no belief, I have been flying the Atlantic for a few hours straight, had about 1.3 hours to go when I decided to go to the little boys' room. Now I paused my flight, as I do and our domesticated bird actually was out of the cage, landed on my joystick and pressed the acceleration button, jumped off the joystick onto the keyboard and somehow exited my Flightsim... I am NOT HAPPY!!!! :@:$:@:$:@
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Bad luck Jay ;D At least you can refly that leg, not like me. I splashed into the Ocean at landing to Monrovia, and so I can only "hear" as you still flying. If you have some screenshots, please post it on the Screenshot forum ;)
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Ok Jaap no problem with Curazao. In fact, if there is no way Maracaibo can be included, I prefer going from Lima to Willemstad. After all it's only 200 NM more.
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Well Jay I am not happy either.Landing at Rio I deployed the spoilers just too early .
Result:penalty of 900 points (G-force) :$
So be careful and happy landing here.
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Oops, I did the same with the spoilers in one of the first flights of the event, but being a short one I preferred to fly it again. If anything alike happens in this leg... I don't know, I hust hope not.
Well done Jay, I see you got to Rio well on the second attempt, but I will not dare to ask what happened to the bird. Nor why does the cat look so happy ;D
As I write I am still a couple of hours away from Rio, and behind Hector who is nearly arrived. I had to make this a night flight (in real life, I mean) because next week-end I will not be able to fly, it's the easter week-end here. And this is why I have now spare time to spam the forums :)
Hope to get some sleep after the flight though.
Happy landings and see you in Santiago
Andrei
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Thanks Andrei, yes, just landed safely and as far as the bird goes.... anyone for chicken tonight? ;)
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There is an old movie: Blame it on Rio. Just landed with both Approach and Tower Control. These guys did a very good job after my two go-arounds.
The first because somehow I did something on final and suddenly all what I saw was a black screen and the engines going. I could go thru the spotview views but could not see the cockpit. At that time I just went panic and for the first time ever flying online I pressed Pause. A bunch of planes arriving at Rio at that time and I working fast to find out the cause. After getting back the cockpit view (don't know yet how) I performed a go-around but not before getting a penalty for getting over 250 kts. AAAAAGH!
The second one just because the ILS system in the plane went crazy.
I asked approach to give me vectors for a long, long approach so I could do it manually which finally did.
After touching down Tower Control just quit without even saying goodbye.
Switched to Approach to report on blocks and the gentlemen said in a very bored tone: "Ok" which did not prevent me to thank him for all his help. Blame it on Rio!
After calming down thanks a hot coffee cup, I found out that when instructed to switch to Tower while in final I pressed SIMULTANEOUSLY the key to activate TS transmission which is in my throttle control (I have the Saltek X52 Control No Yoke) and the trim control which is in the surface control unit. Bad move. Bame it on Rio.
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Hector, Jaap, if you need ATC for your flight to Curacao, I can arrange it in no time ;)
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Thanks Rico,looking forward to it.
Hopefully I get permission then to make a low,speedy fly past along the tower of Hato airport to greet my old buddies there ;D
Cheers,
Jaap
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Welcome to Rio eh! no
:@ Who forgot to press the ProPilot button:% At least i can blame it on Rio.:>
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Ok Rico, thanks for the offer. Still trying to convince people to go to Tahiti. I've been in Curacao many times.
Trevor, sorry for that. You are not alone though. It happened to me last year in the Formula 1 event and guess what: in the leg from Monaco to Montreal! Eventhough I activated ProPilot, for some reason it did not record it. I found out when checking the flight and to my surprise it showed that I was in Nice!. I could not believe it. I was in Montreal and PP said I was still at Nice. One more to tell the grandsons.
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Blame it on Rio:>
Today I got disconnected from the SA server on the way to Rio, and then I kept disappearing off the IvAe screen.
All good fun and games, but then received the “not enough info gathered” message.
Volunteer wanted. lol
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Is there anyone who can help? I crashed after landing at Rio, and then received an email saying that the incident would not be considered as a crash, but I would have to repeat the flight. However, I now have no plane. Could someone please put my plane back isn service, or give me a new one so I can continue.
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Hello Desmond !
I suffered to a building crash during this event, but the Logger did not recognized it, only FS. What I can see from facts, your plane is crashed in the system. Maybe if you could send the ACARS (if you saved it anyway) we could analize your flight and maybe you could get back the airplane, but unfortunately, currently it is recorded as crashed.
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I can't send the acars as the flightlogger reset and started a new log automatically - how that happened I don't know.
I got the following message after the crash:
Dear pilot Desmond Klein,
Our ProPilot system received a crash information from your Flight Simulator.
We also received information that your airplane was bellow the minimum IAS speed to be considered as a crash.
Your airplane was at and the minimum IAS to be considered as a crash is 51
So, this incident will not be considered as a crash although you have to repeat your flight.
Kindly Regards,
Robert Szikszo,
EHM Fleet Manager
The above message is why I think my plane should be re-enabled. If I had not received a message I would have accepted the fact that something happened beyond anyone's control, and that I had crashed.
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Hi Desmond !
Enjoy your new airplane, which is now standing at Monrovia apron ! ;) Hopefully you still have time to finish this leg.
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Thanks, but managed to get a building crash while taxiing after landing, so it looks like thsi is the end of my tour. Enjoyed it while it lasted.
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I quit. No more ILS. All landings manual from now and on. For some reason, the ILS feature in my plane is not working since Lisbon. At Monrovia I had time to correct. At Rio I had to go around. At Montevideo I had also time to go aroung but I did not do it. Stupid thing to do and I got 900 pts penalty. This plane has no mercy with idiots like me.
As my flying instructor used to say: "The plane can fly but cannot think. The man can think but cannot fly. Now if a plane that can fly but cannot think is flown by a man who cannot fly and cannot think either, guess what..." 900 pts.
Ready to go to Buenos Aires after I calm down!
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After a nice flight we landed safely in Santiago and unloaded pax,luggage and cargo,everyone happy and satisfied.
A bit sad we have to leave the plane here and go back to "normal" business.
Hector,as reported before I had the same experience.I doubt if it has something to do with the ILS, I suspected the hand-operated spoilers being used too early.(my mistake)
Anyway it is a sensitive lady this DC8.
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Just landed in Santiago too (as the last luggage from Jaap's plane were removed away). I found the last leg a little disturbing because in the previous flights I used to start descent far from the destination, which was not possible here because of the Andes.
Maybe I contributed to this because I used a slightly "customized" route: I was a little bored of the INS so I flew this leg VOR-to-VOR. Just a different kind of fun...
The only setback was that further analysis of the flight showed zero passengers (I suspect Jaap grabbed them all as he was the first to arrive in Santiago), but this is a problem for the travel agency after all!
I share Jaap's fear of the spoilers, after seeing these in action. In one of the first legs, I thought to myself "ok, the spoilers are not to use in flight, but just before touchdown, to reduce a little speed, they can't do harm..." YES, THEY DO! Once the spoilers were deployed, the plane fell on the runway like a stone, no matter how much I tried to flare.
You know the rest: max g, penalty, etc etc. In fact I was so ashamed that I flew the leg again to escape the penalty. And I promised myself never to try such "fine tuning maneuvers" again with the DC8.
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Guys, I will try to work on the repositioning at the weekend or early next week as I am sure we can work your route out to take these ladies back home again.... For now, let them have a little rest here in Chile! ;)
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Phil, would you please look at my comments back in this thread? It may give you some ideas. I would not like to stay too long in Santiago for here there are earthquakes every day. The INS could become damaged because the vibration;D
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Unfortunately I am on call out at work this week and am working 12 hour days so I will have little time to look at this, but I will try and sort something out when I can.
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I think it would be a shame to crash them accidentally on the back-route, so maybe fewer legs would be better ;)
What would you say to a more simple choice: EHM-6939 to Atlanta and EHM-7811 or EHM-7827 to Stockholm ? ;)
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While on my way to Santiago, we were hit by a nationwide power failure so I had to place everything on pause since the laptop would not last long enough to get SCEL.
Almost 3 hours later electricity was restored but since I don't know what the implications on either PP or FLogger, besides I was not in the mood, I decided to call the flight off. Will try later tonite or tomorrow.
Robert, I am not sure whether the DC-83 can go that far (4290 NM and 150000 lbs fuel).
What about SCEL-TNCC then TNCC-CYQX and finally CYQX-ESSA?
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Finally arrived, got myself 2230 penalty points on the last flight because for some reason in mid flight at cruise... she started stalling, never seen anything like it, out of nowhere, nose up and drop like a brick, from 331FL to 050FL in a matter of seconds, I caught it in the end but I am not sure what actually caused it to begin with :( Oh well, least I made it !
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Just arrived at Santiago. Faced strong shifting winds (95 kts). Had to continuously managed the throttle to avoid either overspeeding and/or stalling.
This may have happened to you Jay. For example when cruising at 295 KIAS the wind shifted from head to crossed and I watched the speed fall to nearly 260 before applying throttle to almost full. This continued almost the entire cruising leg.
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Could have been, I am just glad I made it, I would have been dirty if I would have crashed her on the last leg !