Online long flight group event

[EHM-0654 Murray]

I'm going to concur with Bruno regarding the battery, even though I do have paid FSUIPC and battery protection - ensure you're running off either ground power and air or APU air and power for pre-flight...

I've been working from the KBFI-KLAX tutorial PDF and it covers getting onto APU from cold and dark quite well.

[EHM-1703 Philip]

Hi Bruno / Murray,

I have hijacked this thread with this problem, and I appologize for this. I am going to continue it in the PSS 777 Thread in the Flight Simulator group as I have an update link here:

http://www.fly-euroharmony.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=1895&page=1#pid16329

Again, thanks for your help.

[EHM-1703 Philip]

Well after all that, with Roberts little presents to us today, (The new repaints of the PSS A330 & 777) I think the 777 is going to be left in the hangar for this flight, I'm taking the PSS A330 on this run instead. She looks absolutely fantastic!

(The 777 is also a great repaint, but I just think she is a bit of an ugly beast in the real world! The A330 with the Winglets and that long sleek body just look so much better! Oh yeah and the A330 is in the IVAO MTL as well )

Better get myself back in the sim for a refresher on the A330, it's been a few months. See you in Atlanta!

[EHM-0948 Bruno]

I will use the PSS 777.

I am flying it for the last weeks and it is an excelent airplane.

The FMC is more simple than on the PMDG 73x NG because some things there are automated.

Also, 90% of the flight functions are automated. The airplane really is a piece of work, and lefts all the fun for the take off and for the landing.

Regards,

[EHM-0948 Bruno]

For those who wants to do a ProPilot class 7 flight, we had inserted flights from the hubs to Atlanta on Main and EuroBusiness Divisions.

So, the flights will be :

Hub -> Atlanta
Atlanta -> GCLP
GCLP -> Lisbon

Also, you need to move the airplane and lock the airplane immediately. So, I suggest you do your flight to atlanta after 26th January, so you can lock your airplane for 29th.

I also subscribe Murray's words of saying that this is not a ProPilot event. You can use ProPilot if you want (and can) but this is a normal event followin the online flying fly-in rules.

Regards,

[EHM-1703 Philip]

Any News on a final route yet? I would like to try it out in the A330 before the day if possible, so I am going to start off just trying the auto gen one from FSnav as the Routefinder route is a little tight for the A330. (Visions of doing the famous Air Transat 30 minute A330 Glide!)

[EHM-1001 Robert]

You should prepare your plane much braver than those Transat pilots I am sure you do not want to lose that plane

Well, I can advise a route here if noone has an idea

[EHM-0948 Bruno]

Go ahead Robert.

Every plan is suitable of being the approved one.

[EHM-1001 Robert]

Well,

I have figured out this one with FSNAV. If you are satisfied with it, I can attach the PLN, or FSN file too.

KATL
- EATWO SID
- direct to MADDI (16 nm jump to nearest airway)
- via V18 to IRQ (113,90)
- via V56 to FLO (115,20)
- via V139 (or J4) to ILM (117,00)
- direct to BACUS (199 nm jump from the coast)
- via R512 to BDA (113,90)
- direct to APASO (2400 nm jump over open ocean)
- direct to PLATY (102 nm jump to a parallel airway)
- PLATY STAR
GCLP

total: 3750 nm / 07:50 ... 08:40 hours

[EHM-1703 Philip]

Cool, It's better than the one I did. (3810nm - 8hr 28m at M.82) Also mine was a lot more complicated going up over New York & Boston and then out over the Azores and down to Grand Canaria.

[EHM-0948 Bruno]

Well, in that case, if Murray also agrees, we can move with that one and post it on the Online Flying Page.

Regards,

[EHM-1281 Cyriel]

Or how about as found via http://rfinder.asalink.net/free which takes all real world restrictions into account. With the latest Airac cycle loaded FSnav should be able to plot this route as well.

RouteFinder
Route generator for PC flight simulation use - NOT FOR REAL WORLD NAVIGATION
(C)2005 ASA srl - Italy
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Computed route from HARTSFIELD JACKSON ATLANTA INTK7 (KATL, K7) to GRAN CANARIA (GCLP, GC): 28 fixes, 5011.6 nautical miles

Cruise altitude between FL330 and FL410
KATL (0.0nm) -DCT-> JA (233.0nm) -AR5-> JAWSS (285.4nm) -AR5->
BAHAA (378.2nm) -AR5-> TORRY (385.0nm) -AR5-> SNABS (402.8nm) -AR5->
OZENA (411.7nm) -AR5-> OHLAA (424.6nm) -AR5-> CARPS (442.7nm) -A700->
JAINS (511.4nm) -L375-> DRIBL (731.1nm) -L435-> NUTRE (976.1nm) -L435->
ARUVO (1184.1nm) -L435-> FIVZE (1487.8nm) -L435-> BUTUX (2405.3nm) -UL435->
PAKER (2753.7nm) -UL435-> IRELA (2922.9nm) -UL435-> POKSI (3143.1nm) -UL435->
DIGUN (3364.2nm) -UL435-> BUXON (3481.9nm) -UN866-> NELTO (3572.4nm) -UN866->
AMDOL (3887.8nm) -UN866-> IREDO (4122.1nm) -UR976-> CVS (4219.5nm) -UN873->
IPERA (4472.2nm) -UN873-> ISOKA (4592.5nm) -UN873-> LIMAL (4798.4nm) -STAR->
GCLP (5011.6nm)

Details:
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ID      FREQ   TRK   DIST   Coords                       Name/Remarks
KATL             0      0   N33°38'25.60" W084°25'37.00" HARTSFIELD JACKSON ATLANTA INTK7
JA      344    146    233   N30°27'41.99" W081°47'59.44" DINNS
JAWSS           94     52   N30°26'49.58" W080°47'18.15" JAWSS
BAHAA           95     93   N30°25'22.80" W078°59'40.77" BAHAA
TORRY           96      7   N30°25'20.00" W078°51'49.50" TORRY
SNABS           96     18   N30°25'13.31" W078°31'13.29" SNABS
OZENA           96      9   N30°25'09.99" W078°20'54.20" OZENA
OHLAA           97     13   N30°24'52.75" W078°05'53.77" OHLAA
CARPS           97     18   N30°24'28.80" W077°45'00.60" CARPS
JAINS           41     69   N31°21'20.10" W077°00'00.10" JAINS
DRIBL          113    220   N30°18'27.13" W072°55'01.53" DRIBL (GTK 360/395)
NUTRE          121    245   N28°47'12.90" W068°33'54.20" NUTRE
ARUVO          126    208   N27°20'00.00" W065°00'00.00" ARUVO
FIVZE          130    304   N25°00'00.00" W060°00'00.00" FIVZE
BUTUX          130    918   N18°00'00.00" W045°22'48.00" BUTUX
PAKER          135    348   N15°20'00.00" W040°00'00.00" PAKER
IRELA          136    169   N14°00'00.00" W037°26'00.00" IRELA (RVSM)
POKSI          144    220   N11°51'03.86" W034°23'02.03" POKSI (RVSM)
DIGUN          144    221   N09°39'39.00" W031°22'14.00" DIGUN (RVSM)
BUXON          145    118   N08°29'02.42" W029°46'58.71" BUXON (RVSM)
NELTO           47     90   N09°47'42.00" W029°01'54.00" NELTO
AMDOL           47    315   N14°21'12.00" W026°21'30.00" AMDOL
IREDO           45    234   N17°43'06.00" W024°18'12.00" IREDO
CVS     115.3  141     97   N16°44'12.37" W022°57'03.78" SAL
IPERA           43    253   N20°21'54.00" W020°42'00.00" IPERA
ISOKA           42    120   N22°04'52.90" W019°35'24.06" ISOKA
LIMAL           42    206   N25°00'00.00" W017°37'32.09" LIMAL (RVSM)
GCLP            43    213   N27°55'54.79" W015°23'11.71" GRAN CANARIA


Tracks are magnetic, distances are in nautical miles.
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 KATL DCT JA AR5 CARPS A700 JAINS L375 DRIBL L435 BUTUX UL435 BUXON UN866 IREDO UR976 CVS UN873 LIMAL STAR GCLP
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RAD/CDR restriction analysis:
Route segment Rest. type Details Exclude?
No restrictions found.

[EHM-1703 Philip]

Hi Cyriel,

I understand what you are saying but that puts over two and a half hours on to an already long flight.....

I guess what needs to be decided is just how long this flight should take.

With Roberts route the entire flying time to Lisbon would be about 11 hours, with the Routefinder Route it would be almost 14 hours. (And this is without refueling time included but it is not taking in to account the North Atlantic Jetstream which will probably knock about an hour off both flights.)

What does everyone think? I will fly either as I have told the wife not to disturb me for the entire day!

[EHM-0654 Murray]

Well, the RF route I got was "only" 4700nm and that used NATY (Up to Canada then across to GUNSO) and I am loathed to suggest it as *the route* because it's so long.

The other problem with the going onto the official NATs is the spacing; half an hour between planes on the same NAT!

Cyriel, I applaud your abilities if you want to fly that route. I'm still mulling over whether to fly my route (apart from the turn after GUNSO it's pretty much straight)

I've yet to test it, but I think for the sanity of all involved, we're better of using Robert's self-built route. Anything that can chop an hour or two off of what is otherwise a 7/8 hrs leg must be welcomed. We've got the pilots that are joining us to LPPT to think of...

[EHM-1343 Jonathan]

Well, does anyone know which way the real-world planes would go...
when i flew from TNCM, (not too far away) i got a route which went over south america...and over the azores....

I think we should take the shortest route LOL:P

[EHM-1281 Cyriel]

Well I usually use the routefinder route and combine it with the Fsnav found route. I might take some minor shortcuts where possible but would like to fly a as real as possible route. I might take off about half an hour for the rest then and push the plane to the max

Edit: Or only load it with half fuel and order a mid air tanker half way. That should speed up things as well.

[EHM-1703 Philip]

LOL I didn't know the new fleet was AAR capable! I know a few guys who fly K3's so I can arrange for a drink on the way

Maybe we could talk Gergley in to refitting his personal Victor Charlie to this configuration:

http://www.studenten.net/customasp/axl/picture.asp?cat_id=8&ple_id=270&page=2&pte_id=9055

[EHM-0948 Bruno]

Hi,

I suggest that we move to Robert's flight plan.
If we departure at 0930 we will be there about 1730/1800 ... So, that give us time to end the flight about ... 2200 in lisbon.

Looks like a good route. I already arranged my agenda so I can take off, then go to BTT, then come back and continue flying until landing at GCLP

Also, we need to be on the clock here. No delays for the KATL departure.

[EHM-1703 Philip]

Rgr that.

I'm testing the route tonight, Having some trouble with the SID's & STARS not being in the database?? Will let you know tomorrow how it goes and how long it takes.

[EHM-1703 Philip]

Ok all.

I flew Roberts Route last night and Flying time was 7hrs 45 mins at a M.82 cruise. I personally think that is long enough for the first leg. The only things I would suggest would be:

1. Departure SID = MUNSN (Available on all runways)
2. Arrival STAR = LIMAL (RWY03L approach for full ILS CAT III approach)

See you all soon

[EHM-0654 Murray]

I think it best that as Bruno says we make Robert's route *the route* for this fly-in. If anyone wants to fly an alternate, longer route, they are most welcome to; factor for Robert's route taking 6 hrs and do your best to arrive at around 1600Z (which should be about the time the first of us flying the shorter route should arrive).

EDIT: I've spent some of the evening building flight plans in FSN. [ This RAR archive ] contains FSN and Flight Sim plans for both 09L and 27R for what is pretty much Roberts route (I've made a "company NAT" for the Trans-Atlantic bit) using MUNSN2.IRQ SIDs and up to LPC on the STAR, and GCLP-LPPT (no SID or STAR, but the terminating ISECs are included).

[EHM-1001 Robert]

Great route Murray I have 3 more question regarding the event and technical :

1. Where can you download SID/STAR for FSNAV ?
2. Shall we ask some ATC presence to that day for the 3 desired airports/region ?
3. I checked the SIDs for Gran Canaria, and those are absolutely crazy ! Making 18 or 26 nm radius circles around a fix So, which will be the 2nd leg route ?

[EHM-1343 Jonathan]

Dont ask for ATC ENROUTE! Please, I will need to go out during the long haul flight and let my "co-pilot" the work...
However get all the ATC possible for KATL, Gran Canaria and LPPT!

[EHM-1500 Jim]

Looking great guys....familly commitment etc mean i wont join for the long haul but will hopefully meet you all at Grand Canaria and fly with you all to Lisbon.....see yall, Jim

[EHM-1617 Iain]

I might be on hand to do ATC - I can do any position with a C1 or below rating. (Even oceanic).