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EHM-0948 Bruno:
Well, in that case, if Murray also agrees, we can move with that one and post it on the Online Flying Page.

Regards,

EHM-1281 Cyriel:
Or how about as found via http://rfinder.asalink.net/free which takes all real world restrictions into account. With the latest Airac cycle loaded FSnav should be able to plot this route as well.

RouteFinder
Route generator for PC flight simulation use - NOT FOR REAL WORLD NAVIGATION
(C)2005 ASA srl - Italy
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Computed route from HARTSFIELD JACKSON ATLANTA INTK7 (KATL, K7) to GRAN CANARIA (GCLP, GC): 28 fixes, 5011.6 nautical miles

Cruise altitude between FL330 and FL410
KATL (0.0nm) -DCT-> JA (233.0nm) -AR5-> JAWSS (285.4nm) -AR5->
BAHAA (378.2nm) -AR5-> TORRY (385.0nm) -AR5-> SNABS (402.8nm) -AR5->
OZENA (411.7nm) -AR5-> OHLAA (424.6nm) -AR5-> CARPS (442.7nm) -A700->
JAINS (511.4nm) -L375-> DRIBL (731.1nm) -L435-> NUTRE (976.1nm) -L435->
ARUVO (1184.1nm) -L435-> FIVZE (1487.8nm) -L435-> BUTUX (2405.3nm) -UL435->
PAKER (2753.7nm) -UL435-> IRELA (2922.9nm) -UL435-> POKSI (3143.1nm) -UL435->
DIGUN (3364.2nm) -UL435-> BUXON (3481.9nm) -UN866-> NELTO (3572.4nm) -UN866->
AMDOL (3887.8nm) -UN866-> IREDO (4122.1nm) -UR976-> CVS (4219.5nm) -UN873->
IPERA (4472.2nm) -UN873-> ISOKA (4592.5nm) -UN873-> LIMAL (4798.4nm) -STAR->
GCLP (5011.6nm)

Details:
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ID      FREQ   TRK   DIST   Coords                       Name/Remarks
KATL             0      0   N33°38'25.60" W084°25'37.00" HARTSFIELD JACKSON ATLANTA INTK7
JA      344    146    233   N30°27'41.99" W081°47'59.44" DINNS
JAWSS           94     52   N30°26'49.58" W080°47'18.15" JAWSS
BAHAA           95     93   N30°25'22.80" W078°59'40.77" BAHAA
TORRY           96      7   N30°25'20.00" W078°51'49.50" TORRY
SNABS           96     18   N30°25'13.31" W078°31'13.29" SNABS
OZENA           96      9   N30°25'09.99" W078°20'54.20" OZENA
OHLAA           97     13   N30°24'52.75" W078°05'53.77" OHLAA
CARPS           97     18   N30°24'28.80" W077°45'00.60" CARPS
JAINS           41     69   N31°21'20.10" W077°00'00.10" JAINS
DRIBL          113    220   N30°18'27.13" W072°55'01.53" DRIBL (GTK 360/395)
NUTRE          121    245   N28°47'12.90" W068°33'54.20" NUTRE
ARUVO          126    208   N27°20'00.00" W065°00'00.00" ARUVO
FIVZE          130    304   N25°00'00.00" W060°00'00.00" FIVZE
BUTUX          130    918   N18°00'00.00" W045°22'48.00" BUTUX
PAKER          135    348   N15°20'00.00" W040°00'00.00" PAKER
IRELA          136    169   N14°00'00.00" W037°26'00.00" IRELA (RVSM)
POKSI          144    220   N11°51'03.86" W034°23'02.03" POKSI (RVSM)
DIGUN          144    221   N09°39'39.00" W031°22'14.00" DIGUN (RVSM)
BUXON          145    118   N08°29'02.42" W029°46'58.71" BUXON (RVSM)
NELTO           47     90   N09°47'42.00" W029°01'54.00" NELTO
AMDOL           47    315   N14°21'12.00" W026°21'30.00" AMDOL
IREDO           45    234   N17°43'06.00" W024°18'12.00" IREDO
CVS     115.3  141     97   N16°44'12.37" W022°57'03.78" SAL
IPERA           43    253   N20°21'54.00" W020°42'00.00" IPERA
ISOKA           42    120   N22°04'52.90" W019°35'24.06" ISOKA
LIMAL           42    206   N25°00'00.00" W017°37'32.09" LIMAL (RVSM)
GCLP            43    213   N27°55'54.79" W015°23'11.71" GRAN CANARIA


Tracks are magnetic, distances are in nautical miles.
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 KATL DCT JA AR5 CARPS A700 JAINS L375 DRIBL L435 BUTUX UL435 BUXON UN866 IREDO UR976 CVS UN873 LIMAL STAR GCLP
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RAD/CDR restriction analysis:
Route segment Rest. type Details Exclude?
No restrictions found.

EHM-1703 Philip:
Hi Cyriel,

I understand what you are saying but that puts over two and a half hours on to an already long flight.....

I guess what needs to be decided is just how long this flight should take.

With Roberts route the entire flying time to Lisbon would be about 11 hours, with the Routefinder Route it would be almost 14 hours. (And this is without refueling time included but it is not taking in to account the North Atlantic Jetstream which will probably knock about an hour off both flights.)

What does everyone think? I will fly either as I have told the wife not to disturb me for the entire day! ;)

EHM-0654 Murray:
Well, the RF route I got was "only" 4700nm and that used NATY (Up to Canada then across to GUNSO) and I am loathed to suggest it as *the route* because it's so long.

The other problem with the going onto the official NATs is the spacing; half an hour between planes on the same NAT!

Cyriel, I applaud your abilities if you want to fly that route. I'm still mulling over whether to fly my route (apart from the turn after GUNSO it's pretty much straight)

I've yet to test it, but I think for the sanity of all involved, we're better of using Robert's self-built route. Anything that can chop an hour or two off of what is otherwise a 7/8 hrs leg must be welcomed. We've got the pilots that are joining us to LPPT to think of...

EHM-1343 Jonathan:
Well, does anyone know which way the real-world planes would go...
when i flew from TNCM, (not too far away) i got a route which went over south america...and over the azores....

I think we should take the shortest route LOL:P

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