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EHM-1358 Tim:
The thing thats gets me is that eberyone controller seems to thing your flying IFR even when you put "VFR FLIGHT!!!" in your flight plan.

EHM-1798 Conrad:
Yeah, happens with me constantly when im flying VFR, all that most controllers just look at is the route and the departure + destination fields and dont look at RVSM or flight type....

EHM-1883 Matt:
When you say that controllers give vectors because not many people have charts, FMC etc. well, I did a flight from Heathrow to Schipol, and I did have charts of both airports, but I didn't program the STAR in the FMC because I didn't know what the active runway was at Schipol, so I was coming in at REDFA, and I found out the active runway for landing was 18R, so then I'd have to use the REDFA1A approach. The controller asked me whether I had charts, and I said yes, and that I'd just program REDFA1A into my FMC. Then he said continue with the Approach, so that's what I did, but then as soon as I got onto the approach, he started giving me vectors. I don't know why. Maybe it was a traffic reason? Maybe he got confused considering Schipol is such a busy airport, but did he do the right thing? I looked at IVAE and there were only three planes landing, and on TCAS, they were all far apart, so did he do the right thing on givging me vectors?

EHM-1001 Robert:
Thank you for the answers.

About Q1:

I think it is okay in the IVAO philosophy, that the most pilots do not have charts, so the controllers give vectors to them. If I remember well (it was a looong time ago) on VATSIM, after the STAR clearance, if I told him I do not have charts, he put me on vectored approach without any problem...but the 1st stage was always the STAR.

Q2: Well, I may understand your point of view. Although it is still confusing if you do not have charts. Why ?
Situation 1 - I got an intersection that is really on my way, and located at the border of the FIR. But I still do not know it, because that waypoint is not part of my flightplan (not an endpoint of a jetway), so I do not know its position if I do not have charts ! In your explanation Ricardo, it is correct, because the asked waypoint is mentioned in the flightplan, so I could identify it and fly there.
Situation 2 - I got a waypoint that is really not on my route. It happened t me more times in crowded FIRs, that I had to follow a deroute track instead of my flighhtplan, and it took minutes until I found the asked waypoint in my charts.

Is not it possible to mention the pilot somehow, that the asked waypoint is on his route or not ? For example: "EHM1001 direct XXXXX intersection from your flightplan" or "EHM1001 deroute to XXXXX intersection, turn heading YYY".

Thank you.

EHM-1798 Conrad:

--- Quote ---Originally posted by EHM-1883
When you say that controllers give vectors because not many people have charts, FMC etc. well, I did a flight from Heathrow to Schipol, and I did have charts of both airports, but I didn't program the STAR in the FMC because I didn't know what the active runway was at Schipol, so I was coming in at REDFA, and I found out the active runway for landing was 18R, so then I'd have to use the REDFA1A approach. The controller asked me whether I had charts, and I said yes, and that I'd just program REDFA1A into my FMC. Then he said continue with the Approach, so that's what I did, but then as soon as I got onto the approach, he started giving me vectors. I don't know why. Maybe it was a traffic reason? Maybe he got confused considering Schipol is such a busy airport, but did he do the right thing? I looked at IVAE and there were only three planes landing, and on TCAS, they were all far apart, so did he do the right thing on givging me vectors?
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Vectors are allways given in STAR approaches. You will come to an intersection where you have to gain ATC clearance to pass. Ie, when i assign STAR's to people, say LAM3A for EGLL, i will tell them :

"EHM1798, On passing Lambourne, heading 270"

This will start the arrival proceedure for heathrow (approach plates)

Basicly, the STAR finishes at the ending intersection, ie: LAM3A, ends over LAM :P

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