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EHM-1689 Lukasz:
Hi,

I want to suggest something - do we really need EuroBusiness Division? In my opinion this division should be replaced  by other division (ex. low-cost division - just like in real world) - it will be more realistic. Big aircrafts from EuroBusiness should fly in Euroharmony (B777) or Euroholiday (Tu-204). Low cost division fleet should consist of our all B-738 for example (it means, that Euroharmony 5-class fleet will be consist only of A-320):[. Aircrafts like Falcon 50 or Pilatus would be dispositional aircraft of our company. What do You think?

Remember - it's only suggestion :|

Regards,
Myszkin.

EHM-1703 Philip:
Well Myskin, you raise a good point and IMHO there are some other things to consider here:

Firstly and probably the main thing, RW airlines that have tried to compete in both the Loco and Hico markets have invariably come unstuck and ended up selling or folding their Lo cost ops.

Secondly I feel that we would be flying the same routes with the same aircraft as our Main Div if we were to take on a Loco model for one of our divisions. A Lo-cost option gives very little veriety to the airline.

The Business division gives our pilots the ability to fly a more diverse range of aircraft to a more extensive range of airports. It is not necesarily a matter of mirroring real world ops but giving our pilots more choice. Then we get in to things like, how many Loco's fly in to EGLC for instance? The airlines that fly there are almost all business charter airlines. That is just an example.

Don't get me wrong, I think it is a point that has merits and warrants discusion it's just not something I would be interested in personally.

EHM-1001 Robert:
It is always a big discussion why we have Divisions at all. I think the main point as Phil said to have a larger variety of airfields you can fly to/from. I think of our Divisions that all 3 are charter airlines with their own fleet, with their own typical destinations and goals. At EuroCargo we fly to typical cargo destinations, and have flights where the Main aircrafts would not fit. EuroHolidays have the typical holiday / vacation destinations with large not-so-comfortable aircrafts. While EuroBusiness have the most weird and unique destinations with typical business / luxurious airplanes.

I think EuroBusiness is the typical charter airline. In my opinion there should not be a coherent timetable at all. There was a time when we operate this Division after a changing 2-weeks schedule, following real world events. But somehow it did not give more popularity to the division. We had thoughts maybe we will reorganize the whole biz fleet to include only small jets, but those would require again a very special timetable.

It is a sensible part, and afterall we thought that this will be the best type of operation: wide variety of Business aircrafts, and wide variety of constant destinations.

You could ask why do not we use the Boeing BBJ, or the Learjets, etc...but the reason came from our general fleet policy: only popular and real types, and minimal duplication among the divisions.

EHM-1592 Niels:
I think that a loco division will end up very close to EuroHolidays, 'caus that div. is flying to popular destinations allready.

The only advantage i see is adding chairs to the existing planes, like 175 pax in a B738.

EHM-1883 Matt:
I've often thought of this, but if anything, I find the most "unreal" division to be EuroHolidays. Cargo is ok, as alot of airlines also use cargo, Business is kind of the same, but Holidays? It makes no sense. I think that it's a great idea that you can fly when you want, but I think it's the most "unreal"

Just one thing I'd like to say though, regarding ALL divisions is that some of the flights for them are ridiculous. Some flights have class 3 EuroBusiness, which is the same as a class 6 main division! I don't want to get rid of any divisions, as I like all of them, but I think the timetable should be re-thought. Cargo division has good flights, but I mainly mean EuroHolidays, and EuroBusiness.

A good example is LGAV-LDZA. Look at the flight on the timetable.

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