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EHM-1001 Robert:
Very nice conclusion there Iain ;) I think you are right, maybe the scalers are need to be analized ans maybe increased/decreased but I would say lets give it a try first.

I think the only mistake in the anlysis is that you always got penalty points ! If I look at the ACARS sometimes, I can see that most of the flights that have been done were not penalized at all. And maybe this is the positive thing in the system. I mean, if you do your job perfectly, you gain only relatively small scores, but if you made something wrong, you got relatively high deduction. And I think this will not let anybody to break out from the average. But lets see, how the numbers are performed in reality.

The good thing is, your flight records will remain the same regardless the FAC score. If we feel that the sytem needs to be modernized to reach HARMONY ;D , it can be done easily with changing some factors "only", and the system will recalculate the new points automatically. ;)

EHM-1328 Willem:
The calculations Ian made are correct , also the conclusion to crash your plane if there are more the  700 penalty’s is right,  leave crash penalty on 1000, and in new version off propilot take out the penalty message on screen from propilot  and make also not visible in acars screen, make them only visible after the pirep is send.(there must maybe crypting be done)

The system has lack off one thing and that’s there are no bonus points if there is a zero penalty flight,  compare it with your work if you do a good job you get paid for it.
These bonus points are needed because if a pilot say makes 2-3 or even more crashes he will end  in a very large negative number and with no bonus points it will take a longtime and many zero penalty flights to become ever on the positive side, and at the end he/se will do no longer do any propilot flights.
And  Suggest also to make the factor for online 1.2 because a factor off 0.9 has little effect in the total calculation.

Example-1
Example-2
Example-3        (full screen)
The total time in the exampel is restrictid to less then 24 hours because off the extra programming in exel for times >24h.


Rgrds  EHM1328-Willem

EHM-1001 Robert:
Again, I think quite bad examples...too much short flights.

Let me introduce my PP career from the view of both calculations. ;)

The story in numbers
At the beginning my FS was quite unstable for some reason and I did not like to fly on PP, but did some flights. It was quite mixed: short-middle-long flights. I collected a lot of penalties, once almost crashed a plane, at that time my FAC was around 300 and I felt very bad, that how is it possible I am so bad ! Then came the US Airmail event which changed the scene a lot... I expected the event, with relatively short and easy flights, lots of possibilities for zero FAC flights ;) After it I made a little off-track with some extra-long flights, some penalties and oh my God...my first crash ! Without it, I could get around 350 by the new system, but now I cant push the score too much, just below 80 points...

I did not do a lot of online flights, but you can see it does not count as much as you worried about ;) What count is to collect more time, and avoid crash, which is a nightmare, not only in your career, but in your score as well.

My dream was always to get inside top 10 during my PP career, which I could never reach, but I think even with this negative score, I could get in now according to the new system. And do not panic, if your score would be even too low, then maybe PP is not your business and it is time to practice your skills with the offline system.

EHM-1199 Philip:

--- Quote ---Originally posted by EHM-1001 Robert

Anyway, I think that long flights count a little more, because you may leave the cockpit for minutes, hours, even though you spent more time with flying, you dedicate more time and more energy to EuroHarmony. It is not a cheating.
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I fear you may be slightly lax with the rules Robert ... you and many others and maybe we should change the rules or start expecting them to be followed ... we do have a number of pilots who fly ludicrous hours...some are putting in well over 50 hours in a week!!

Under paragraph 4.7 - flying online it states:

"You should not leave your computer while flying online,"

Seems quite clear to me.

The rules in the EHM regulations (paragraph 4.6 if you wanna check) state:

"On long flights, check at least every 10-15 minutes the status of the plane" - clearly there is no system in place to check this and consequently many pilots fly hours of flights without being there. Don't know where the line should be drawn cos it would be fairly daft to expect folks to be infront of their PC all the time but such are the current rules.

EHM-1199 Philip:

--- Quote ---Originally posted by EHM-1500 Jim

There seem to have been a number of management decisions in recent months that have punished those of us who dont have a huge amount of time.....if this is going to turn into a regular occurence then the VA will have gone down in my asteem. When i first joined this VA over 2 years ago it was very much open to all with no judgement of how much flying you did or how good you were - beginners to experts, short haul to long haul, all were encouraged. Now it seems i have to fly every day, for many hours in order to be considered a good EHM pilot - well rubbish to that i say and i hope that is not what management are wanting to achieve.
I dont use pro-pilot much these days so i guess it wont affect me much. Why not? Well, i base my flights around on-line ATC on IVAO and 9 times out of 10 there isnt a plane at the airport i want. I was also sick of getting penalties for excessive rate of climb and descent with the pmdg 737 whilst it is flying in VNAV mode.

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The whole Pro-Pilot thing from my experience tonight seems hideously buggy Jim. I'm tempted to agree with you...I've flown with EHM for years but Pro-Pilot seems a headache too far. My FAC is already a made up number based on a false crash report from the US Air Pioneers event and now I have another false crash!! I log on at the end of the day to unwind after a day's work and enjoy thte experience...seems a bit daft to be accepting stress from one's hobby. Interested to hear what other folk feel. EHM is a great VA ... no doubt, but for me Pro-Pilot needs more work before its ready and the whole drive for extra hours seems unnecessary. The point is to get online and enjoy the flying experience. Just an opinion but glad to see that Jim seems to share it too and it's not only me questionning some of this stuff.

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