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Offline EHM-1001 Robert

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« on: April 25, 2009, 08:26:33 pm »
Where will be the 3rd runway ? Any sketches ?

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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2009, 10:02:05 pm »
Hi Robert,

The new runway is planned to be parallel to the existing two and due north of the current airport perimeter with an associated sixth terminal... If it survives the planning process and political parties fights over it ;)

The full details are shown in this BBC report:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7722164.stm
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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2009, 11:03:41 am »
Thank you Dom !

It is strange though they would ruin a populated area. I do not understand why they do not concentrate more on the other 3 airports. Or there could be another one built a little further.

When I first heard about it, I thought it will be the currently not used runway where the Concorde is parked ;D

It is just like in Transport Tycoon, where you need to decide which houses to demolish to extend your airport from a Metro to an International ;D

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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2009, 01:45:13 pm »
I live right next to Stansted and have to say that they could do with a second runway, it would bring a lot more airlines in. The whole of Essex, Suffolk and Norfolk and a lot more rely on Stansted and with just small routes like Ryanair and easyJet its becoming increasingly annoying driving for 3 hours to Gatwick to go anywhere outside of Europe!

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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2009, 03:00:34 pm »
Yes, unfortunately Gatwick is much further, but as I heard the public transport to the city from Stansted is well organized, is it ? So maybe it could get more role in the life of London flying.

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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2009, 06:59:23 pm »
Hi,

There is a need for more flights to be introduced into the London area. And if not more flights, then more passengers and cargo without increasing planes and congestion into the area. The third runway increases cargo/passengers and sorts out some of the congestion.

There are various alternatives to buiding a 3rd runway at Heathrow. These include building more runways at the other London airports (Gatwick, Stanstead and Luton (+ London City Airport)). Or, making bigger planes that can carry more passengers/cargo, effectively bringing in the same amount of passengers/cargo but with fewer planes needed.
 Airbus have made a big lead with this 'bigger aeroplane' theory. The proposed A380-900 could carry up to 900 people in economy-only configuration. The are also plans for an A380-1000 which can carry (as the name suggests) 1000 people (in the economy-only configuration). The A380F has also started the market for larger and larger freight aircraft. I think that this aircraft can carry 150 tonnes, whereas the B747-400F can only carry 121.
The 3rd runway at Heathrow will expand the airports future potential aswell. Currently, its runways are operating at about 98.2% capacity, whereas Paris Charles De Gaulle is running at just over 75% capacity. Ok, CDG has 4 runways to LHR's 2, but without the expansion, LHR could easily lose its 'busiest airport in the world' claim.
The new runway would only be 2200M long, as apposed the shortest current runway being 3660M. Only smaller planes could use the 3rd runway, and as it was meant for domestic flights, this would follow what was proposed for the runway. The runway would be used at about 60% capacity. This would relieve the other runways of some smaller, domestic flights, and allow smaller airlines into the airport to do the domestic flights that the runway was intended for.
Building the 3rd runway would take quite a while, providing jobs (which, lets face it, in the current economic climate are a blessing) and when the runway has been built, carry on to provide jobs. About 60,000 jobs would be created during construction and around 8000 others when the construction is complete. There would be various taxi-ways to lay, and many differently skilled people could benifit from it. Needless to say, these jobs would be created at any airport that wants to expand. From 2020-2080, its is estimated that the runway would bring about £5.5bn.
There would be less greenhouse gases due to planes, as, although the number of flights are increased, planes would not have to spend so long stacked up waiting to land.  It is estimated that clearing the carbon up, would cost 2.8bn between 2020 and 2080, which is about half of the amount that the runway would bring.
There are a couple of villages under threat, and people will have to move out of their houses, however, these people have had offers of compensation worth more than their houses, and BAA have stated that the people displaced by the 3rd runway would not have their property price blighted by the runway.
I am fully for the 3rd runway, however, I do believe that the other London airports deserve to be developed before hand. This would create more jobs at different locations around London, and mean that congestion in the air is taken away from Heathrow.

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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2009, 05:12:26 pm »
It is really interesting. We always need such big numbers to convince anyone. BTW, how the capacity of a runway is calculated, because the comparison with CDG is very interesting ?

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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2009, 05:37:40 pm »
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/5/ergdocs/baajan03/acl2baajan03.pdf
Here is an interesting link about the flight numbers leaving LHR. I will find the article about runway capacity and post that on here aswell.:>:>

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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2009, 05:40:42 pm »
http://www.cbi.org.uk/ndbs/PositionDoc.nsf/1f08ec61711f29768025672a0055f7a8/520c60cd6d8408de80257409005bd135/$FILE/heathrowresp220208.pdf
Here is the document/article with the runway statistics on.

I also read somewhere (it might be in one of these documents that I have posted...) that if Heathrow where to change the landing/taking off runway arrangement so that both runways could be used for taking off and landing, then they could increase the amount of flights that leave and arrive at the airport. E.g. One plane takes off, another lands, another takes off, another lands... etc etc etc. This would work on both runways, and run smoothly would greatly increase the traffic from/to the airport. Unfortunatly, there would be problems with safety as a plane might take a little longer vacating the runway or might have to abort a takeoff.

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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2009, 05:45:35 pm »
Some Pilots may find this interesting aswell...

http://www.avtech.se/pictures/documents/Final_Report_Stephan.pdf

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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2009, 06:00:54 pm »
http://gettheflick.blogspot.com/2008/01/air-traffic-safety-vs-capacity.html is another interesting link. Perhaps more so than the others. I think with all the links above, it should be easy enough to see how runway capacities are worked out. lol.:>

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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2009, 09:16:17 pm »
Wow ! That article is really cool... unfortunately. Unfortunately, because it describes the truth and logic behind the profit-oriented world which tries to forget sometimes aviation safety.

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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2009, 09:18:34 pm »
I think that the articles are very interesting, but then I am interested in vry obscure parts of major topics!! :-):-)

 

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