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Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1281 Cyriel on September 16, 2005, 09:56:50 am: Vacation is over and done with. It is time to get back to business again. But who said work can not be fun? Work also means it is time for an online fy-in again. This time we will fly from busy Schiphol to a challenging landing in Innsbruck, Austria. Full ATC in Austria is expected so make sure to bring your procedure maps!

More info can be found on Online Flying Pages (http://www.fly-euroharmony.com/site/online.htm)

URL fixed by Murray. Now go and have a break Cyriel... :)
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Post by: EHM-1627 Chris on September 16, 2005, 11:23:02 am: Ahh good i have been waiting for another fantastic fly-in...i should be there, but will have to confirm nearer the date.

Will be great, this time i'll fly a jet, and will hopefully keep up with everyone else, and not have to fly around like my first attempt at a fly in :$
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Post by: EHM-0654 Murray on September 16, 2005, 12:48:35 pm: Barring accident/incident I'll be there in one of the 737-800's.

For those of us that like to take the realism to frightening levels, I'm on the lookout for charts/procedures.

For EHAM, I'm going to recommend The Netherlands AIS Integrated Package Page (http://www.ais-netherlands.nl/aim/050721-050901/eAIP/html/index-en-GB.html)

I'm still looking into LOWI... more news when I have it...
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1281 Cyriel on September 16, 2005, 02:45:22 pm: the link for charts are on the online announcement page:>
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1617 Iain on September 16, 2005, 03:41:45 pm: Anyonee found a valid route for the flight?
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-0654 Murray on September 16, 2005, 03:43:56 pm: Quote
Originally posted by cyriel
the link for charts are on the online announcement page:>
You stole my link! ;D

For some reason, I never trust IVAO chart links, but the one from IVAO-AT is good... assuming that the Austrian ATC don't expect us to use the most current NOTAM/AIS updates :)
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-0654 Murray on September 16, 2005, 03:52:19 pm: Quote
Originally posted by EHM-1617
Anyonee found a valid route for the flight?

Iain, Iain, Iain...

http://rfinder.asalink.net/free/

Or use the route finder in the FLogger (which goes to the same website as the link above...)

EHAM SID ARNEM UB1 DIDAM UL603 TEBRO UZ738 AMASI UL607 ALGOI STAR LOWI
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Post by: EHM-1617 Iain on September 16, 2005, 03:54:03 pm: Yeah I know but it came up with a list of upteen restrictions with times and I caouldn't be bothered to check all of them to see if they would be in effect at the time of the flyin ;)
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-0654 Murray on September 16, 2005, 03:56:19 pm: (NOTE: That's what I'm here for... :))

See my editted post above, with appropriate RAD/CDR restrictions applied... And given it'll be an ALGOI arrival, hope everyone's holds are up to scratch... I'll be practicing programming holds into the PM CDU on Sunday ;D
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1617 Iain on September 16, 2005, 03:58:45 pm: Cheers, thats really helpful.
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Post by: EHM-1617 Iain on September 16, 2005, 04:10:20 pm: Hmm my FS2004 didnt appear to have AMASI intersection...

But I added it in my flight planning tool as a coordinate so should be OK.

For those of you still using the FS GPS (like me :%) - if anyone wants the FS2004 .pln file of the route above to put in their Flight Simulator Files folder then see my post below - saves using the FS planner which generates wrong routes.
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Post by: EHM-1343 Jonathan on September 16, 2005, 04:41:47 pm: yeah...is amasi in PMDG FMC, i remember having problems with a waypoint like that one flight:%
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-0654 Murray on September 16, 2005, 04:52:08 pm: So we're sorted for charts, what about freeware scenery/meshes?

EHAM is once again easy; the NL2000 Project (http://www.nl-2000.com/nuke/)

What about LOWI?

And given we're landing in the Alps, a good freeware mesh?

(I'm just downloading a bucket-load of LOWI freeware (airport scenery, INN scenery and Switzerland/Austria mesh) from Heather Aviation Ltd (http://fly-heather.avsim.net/europe_Austria.html), but until I get it all home and install it, can't comment on quality...)
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Post by: EHM-1358 Tim on September 16, 2005, 05:17:41 pm: I'll try and make it!
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1617 Iain on September 16, 2005, 07:16:11 pm: http://www.euroharmony.com/~forum/viewthread.php?tid=1400

This was a thread a while ago - has links to three excellent freeware sceneries including mesh for LOWI and some screnies of the LOC DME WEST approach, circling to RWY08 (the hardest approach at LOWI).

I have uploaded the flightplan file to the web. This has the correct route, it is in FS2004 format. Download it here (http://www.filepost.us/userfiles/iainfs/ehamlowi.pln). Choose save and browse to My Documents>Flight Simulator Files and save it there.

Load FS. Click Flight Planner, and choose load. Select ehamlowi.pln. when you start the flight, you will be in a random place. Slew to a gate or taxiway, then connect as usual.
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Post by: EHM-1358 Tim on September 16, 2005, 08:21:48 pm: Hey Iain, try and get a mic, its way more fun!
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Post by: EHM-1703 Philip on September 16, 2005, 11:44:34 pm: Hopefully, I should be there, I may be a few minutes late depending on whether I can get off work early!

Remember, be gentle with me, it's my first time. ;)

Cheers,
Phil
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1627 Chris on September 17, 2005, 09:34:46 pm: Quote
Originally posted by EHM-1617
Hmm my FS2004 didnt appear to have AMASI intersection...

But I added it in my flight planning tool as a coordinate so should be OK.

For those of you still using the FS GPS (like me :%) - if anyone wants the FS2004 .pln file of the route above to put in their Flight Simulator Files folder then see my post below - saves using the FS planner which generates wrong routes.

Hey Iain thanks for the .pln file.

i had exactly the same problem wioth that intersection!!!

Normally The FS GPS is alrite, and does what i want it to do.

also though that doing this may make it easier for everyone.

Quote
Originally posted by EHM-1617
But in case it doesn't:

the LLZ - [url]http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?DLID=&Name=&FileName=eurslowi.zip&Author=&CatID=root[/url] ([url]http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?DLID=&Name=&FileName=eurslowi.zip&Author=&CatID=root[/url])

the landclass - [url]http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?DLID=&Name=&FileName=innsbruck_g2k4.zip&Author=&CatID=root[/url] ([url]http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?DLID=&Name=&FileName=innsbruck_g2k4.zip&Author=&CatID=root[/url])

the mesh - [url]http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?DLID=&Name=&FileName=switzerland_austria.zip&Author=&CatID=root[/url] ([url]http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?DLID=&Name=&FileName=switzerland_austria.zip&Author=&CatID=root[/url])

I have downloaded all but the mesh at the moment (takes ages and i've gotta be up early in the morning so do it tommorow) but it looks GREAT!!!

Thanks Iain
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Post by: EHM-1617 Iain on September 17, 2005, 09:44:08 pm: NP chris, like to be of help

http://www.filepost.us/userfiles/iainfs/ehamlowi.pln

Be sure to slew to a gate when loading the flight.
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1627 Chris on September 17, 2005, 10:12:11 pm: the other thing that you can do in FS set up on the gate ready to go but not put in a flight plan.

then go:

Alt (To Get Toolbar) -> File -> Flight Plan -> Load Up The Flight Plan -> When Asked If Want To Go To Destination Just Say NO!!!
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1617 Iain on September 18, 2005, 10:53:44 am: Yeah, you can put the gate in the FP, but then everyone using the file would be at the same gate - not a good idea.
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1627 Chris on September 18, 2005, 01:51:40 pm: Quote
Originally posted by C_Blyth
the other thing that you can do in FS set up on the gate ready to go but not put in a flight plan.

then go:

Alt (To Get Toolbar) -> File -> Flight Plan -> Load Up The Flight Plan -> When Asked If Want To Go To Destination Just Say NO!!!

The Setup thing was unclear.

just setup the flight sim as normal, and then use your Fp as it is, but when asked if you want to change to the location on the FP say NO!!!

Or just slew...i don't care.
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1627 Chris on September 18, 2005, 04:26:50 pm: I have looked on the link for the LOWI charts http://ivao.xenoflex.de/Downloads/Karten1.php

although cannot find a docking chart, and chart of the taxiways???

EDIT:

I have just worked out that i'm not gonna be around on 30th Spet at 18:00GMT :'( :'( :'(
I'm already down to go out. So i hope that you guys all have fun!!!
Happy Flying.
Depending on what time i get back, i might have a look see where you huys all are...and then mabe join in late...have to see
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1343 Jonathan on September 18, 2005, 06:55:35 pm: well there is a ground chart showing general airport layout.
It displays taxiways, hold points and stuff like that.
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Post by: EHM-1500 Jim on September 18, 2005, 10:44:14 pm: Sorry guys but traveling to my best mates wedding that weekend so wont make it....shame cos my two favourite airports. Have a great fly and see you at the next....Jim
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1627 Chris on September 19, 2005, 12:43:31 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Razza
well there is a ground chart showing general airport layout.
It displays taxiways, hold points and stuff like that.

Where Abouts?

What Page?
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1343 Jonathan on September 19, 2005, 04:07:10 pm: Page number 6;D
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Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on September 19, 2005, 04:11:11 pm: I will be there! 5th try to end a flight ...
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1627 Chris on September 19, 2005, 05:40:40 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Razza
Page number 6;D

Thanks Razza

Although does look bad for me flying :'(
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1617 Iain on September 20, 2005, 07:33:50 am: OK everyone be sure to file an odd flight level (e.g. FL290 FL310) because the flight goes southeast.

Also, make sure that you have RWY36L at EHAM (the Polderbaan) is in your scenery because it may well be in use for departure and it is not in default scenery.

Are we using CTOTs or just a free-for-all to see who can connect first and get in the air?
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1617 Iain on September 28, 2005, 08:46:13 pm: Just to bring this back in to the eye of the pilots, it has disappeared off the recent post lists, for a reminder the flyin is in 2 days (Friday) at 1800Z.
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1343 Jonathan on September 28, 2005, 09:55:17 pm: Remember to pack up your charts, if anybody needs any help with the LOC/DME approaches, I can help, or I am sure somebody else will.;)
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1703 Philip on September 28, 2005, 10:39:51 pm: Looks like I might be making a fool of myself on Friday..... :%

Well I downloaded the charts and I am currently downloading the scenery so I will be there, but my knowledge is still a little raw! Do we have a TS server for the fly in? Just wondered in case of trouble!

See you there,

Phil
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on September 28, 2005, 10:41:32 pm: Hi Phil,

Cyriel and Murray will glady help you in ANYTHING that you need.
We (MT and pilots) will also be there so you can bug anyone of us.

Please, don't be afraid of being there. You'll be protected by us.

Regards,
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Post by: EHM-1555 Kendy on September 29, 2005, 02:44:56 am: Hi,

sorry this time I can't make it. I hav a 'goodbye' party for a collegue at this afternoon (New york time) .

Anyway the next fly-in is coming soon ...;D

Have fun guys and safe landing in Innsbruck !!

best regards ,

Kendy !
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Post by: EHM-1571 Moris on September 29, 2005, 07:57:18 am: I will be there of course..who came the last in LOWI must pay beer for all:-)
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Post by: EHM-0001 Gergely on September 30, 2005, 07:18:55 am: Hi

note that there is a new runway at EHAM that isn't included yet in FS. If you don't use a scenery which has it, you can download a small fix from the following location: http://www.ivao.org/nl > Services > Downloads > sector-scenery > Polderbaan voor default FS2004 scenery.

or simply click here:
http://jonghold.com/nl/downloads/sector-scenery/p5-2004.zip

Gergely
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1571 Moris on September 30, 2005, 09:19:03 am: I have NL2000 scenery and i suppose that 36L is inside that scenery:-) is it possible to communicate each other to choose start place on EHAM - to be together?
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Post by: EHM-1281 Cyriel on September 30, 2005, 09:44:43 am: please also note that tonight there will be the heavy load event at EHAM as well. A lot of traffic is expected so you might want to be a little bit early to get your clearance.
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Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on September 30, 2005, 09:47:41 am: Moris,

Unfortunately there is no dedicated way to do that.
Normally we get organized on the taxi process. Because you can slow down or accelerate to catch someone ..
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1571 Moris on September 30, 2005, 10:07:58 am: Maybe I will not lost IVAP connection because always when more aircrafts are in my visible range computer stucked:(
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1281 Cyriel on September 30, 2005, 09:44:31 pm: Well people this was an excellent fly-in. Thx to all that participated. We had excellent ATC along the way. The ATC at LOWI was amongst the finest I ever had.

If anyone has any picures please send them to me.

Thx again for joining
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1703 Philip on September 30, 2005, 10:41:27 pm: Well it was my first but it certainly wont be my last. Thoroughly enjoyed it, thanks to all that helped me along the way.

My landing was a little long I know, but I was a bit overspeed so had to flare quite late.

I just hope Razza made it back from the mountains...... maybe he left his "d**n Computer" there! ;D

Cheers,

Phil
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Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on October 01, 2005, 12:01:00 am: Hi,

It was the BEST Fly In that I ever participated!
I would like to give you all congratulations. We were 12 out there.
We got on the Top 3 on the Airlines being represented at IVAO!

Congratulations one more time.
Here goes some pictures:

Helicopter view at EHAM. So many airplanes!
(http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/2144/helicopterviewateham1vv.th.jpg) (http://img272.imageshack.us/my.php?image=helicopterviewateham1vv.jpg)

Number 2 for take off :)
(http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/97/numbertofortakeoff1rt.th.jpg) (http://img272.imageshack.us/my.php?image=numbertofortakeoff1rt.jpg)

After take-off ... Still, so many airplanes on ground.
(http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/3707/aftertakeofflookateham9vl.th.jpg) (http://img272.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aftertakeofflookateham9vl.jpg)

Approaching Innsbruck ...
(http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/9536/approachinglowisomany0tt.th.jpg) (http://img272.imageshack.us/my.php?image=approachinglowisomany0tt.jpg)

After landing, with the some of us ...
(http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/1515/parkedatlowiwithothers5ne.th.jpg) (http://img272.imageshack.us/my.php?image=parkedatlowiwithothers5ne.jpg)

And ... the first ProPilot image!
Here you can see what flights were reserved for this fly-in!
(http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/2104/propilotflightoperations1jj.th.jpg) (http://img272.imageshack.us/my.php?image=propilotflightoperations1jj.jpg)
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Post by: EHM-1617 Iain on October 01, 2005, 08:52:56 am: Well I gotta apologise for not being tere the whole way. My FS crashed. So I went to LOWI and did an IFR local, arriving near to Razza (EHM1343).

It was a great flyin the best I have ever been in - looking forward to more!
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1358 Tim on October 01, 2005, 09:58:14 am: Great event! The ATC did a great job! I set of a bit to early and was first out and first there. I ended up doing a differn't route from you guys, flying south of EHAM other Belgium, but I noticed we all passed EDDS. My landing was great and got my heart going, even worse, it was dark! I was shocked that Cyriel had to go around (does this mean something? ;D)

Here are my pics...
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9606/fsscr0002kc.jpg)
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5695/fsscr0010sy.jpg)
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1972/fsscr0028de.jpg)
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7434/fsscr0033ow.jpg)
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1527/fsscr0044ou.jpg)
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3299/fsscr0054yh.jpg)
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/240/fsscr0078tv.jpg)
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5233/fsscr0109pv.jpg)
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5453/fsscr0144up.jpg)
(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3479/fsscr0064wr.jpg)
(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/9734/fsscr0097pn.jpg)

Thanks for the great flight guys! ;)
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Post by: EHM-0654 Murray on October 01, 2005, 10:02:00 am: Well, as I've said to the management team, I am entirely not chuffed that I missed the fly-in... I didn't get home 'til late and I was knackered (I've had a cold for a week now...) so I went straight to bed.

Love the screenies though, Bruno - is that the PMDG 738 I see before me?
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Post by: EHM-1343 Jonathan on October 01, 2005, 11:22:52 am: My computer completely died about 6nm away :]

It died at EHAM also, so i flew LOWK-LOWI to meet the rest of the guys...
had fun in the hold with Bruno though

d**n COMPUTER!!
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1358 Tim on October 01, 2005, 11:41:40 am: I'm having troubles with mine, its lagging like cuck in spot plane view.
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Post by: EHM-1703 Philip on October 01, 2005, 02:16:04 pm: Well, I'm surprised that the first time in a while, I managed the whole flight without interuptions. Maybe because I used the standard A320 instead of the PSS one..... (I am still having problems getting the ILS Approach working on my PSS, then again I suppose I should RTFM!)

Cheers,
Phil
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Post by: EHM-0948 Bruno on October 01, 2005, 03:12:59 pm: Hi Murray,

About the Boeing 737-800 yes it is. :)

With FINALLY a good DES mode turned on ...
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1703 Philip on October 09, 2005, 01:30:34 am: Any news on an October Fly In????? I so enjoyed my first one, I can not wait to get up there with you guys again!

Cheers,

Phil
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1281 Cyriel on October 09, 2005, 09:54:27 am: there will be an October Fly-in yes.

Sneak preview:

It will be in U.S. airspace. And it will not be a normal city - city fly-in.

More details will follow.
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1617 Iain on October 09, 2005, 11:56:04 am: Sounds exciting...
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1343 Jonathan on October 09, 2005, 12:25:03 pm: kinda mysterious......:%
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1703 Philip on October 09, 2005, 08:08:39 pm: Flying the Alien Mothership out of Area 51????
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1358 Tim on October 10, 2005, 08:02:58 pm: Just noticed a problem with the page, theres like only 4 pilots listed out of the about 12 who flew...
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1703 Philip on October 19, 2005, 01:38:52 am: Okay, everything has gone quiet on here as we have all become engrosed in the Pro Pilot Revelotion! Is a fly in being planned or has it been shelved?Would it be possible to have the next fly in as a Pro Pilot flight so we can compare performance and statistics?

Cheers,

Phil
Title: September monthly fly-in discussion space
Post by: EHM-1281 Cyriel on October 19, 2005, 12:03:46 pm: We aim to have a fly-in every month. This is however also dependent on the time of various members of the management. expect news soon