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Archive => EuroHarmony VA => Old Forum => Technical discussions => Topic started by: EHM-1612 Paolo on May 02, 2006, 09:06:01 pm
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During last long fly-in I noticed that my 767 had the name Hawking on his right side, less then 5m behind the cabin's glass. I know that Hawking is a famous physic and I noticed also that other airplanes have other names.
For example the 747 has the name Einstein, the 737 Bolyai, the A340 Beethoven, the A320 Chopin....and all the other EHM ( excluded divisions and FA) have different names. It is very nice and I would like to know if it is possible to change it on my FS....
Another question... ;D
We say that we have 30 "747" in our fleet, why can't we give them different names?? I know it is a stupid thing respect to other big problems, but it is only a suggestion..
Hope you like this idea,
Paolo Mazzoleni EHM-1612
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Paolo,
Great idea, but I think Robert will want to kill you slowly over a number of days for mentioning it out loud... ;D
The names on all our fleet are "static"; they are a part of the paint scheme of the airplane and not "external". If we were to have all 30 744's with individual names, there would have to be 30 different paint schemes to download, or 30 in a single "package" (Microsoft, probably a bit late, but Paolo has a point here...)
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eheh I know that managment want my head just like the letter "O" of Chopin's name on the new livery :)
I am a pilot of EHM so I can explain my suggestions that are a little interesting and can make the company develop ( I know that the aircraft's name is a bit stupid but it is always a suggestion...:> ) because I think that 140 and more pilots can be a great help to produce new ideas and to see EHM growing. So everyone that has a stupid suggestion too with some good ideas must tell it in the forum.... This is my opinion, because I think that this forum help a lot under this aspect too.
Hope to see your answers and new names for airplanes ;D ,
Paolo Mazzoleni EHM-1612
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in the MT, we have decided to use modern names for our liverys now, like Madonna for instance.
However, each tail ID cant have its own name
imagine the size of a file with all the textures for 30 747's, each with a different name...
In lots of fleets, the flagship aircraft are the only ones with names, or only a select few!...
Sweet idea though, One I have personally enquired about!
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I would most likely kill myself slowly before ever flying a plane named 'Madonna'.
But more to the point: I think there is a very real bond between pilots and their aircraft, especially if the aircraft were individually named.
But as already mentioned, the file size would be HUGE. Great idea though Paolo, don't be ashamed to post it on the forum!!
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I would rather be the pilot of a plane called Maddona than a plane called THATCHER!
LOL :)
Hey now theres an idea, World leaders! We could have a B1900 called Blair, I would happily crash that on PP and live with the consequences! lol
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Good idea, Phil. Just imagine a 737 named 'Roosevelt'. State of the art cockpit, but the engines don't work!! ;D We've got something good going here, lol.
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To avoid political discussions here in the EHM forums, I think it's better not to name aircraft after politicians.
And modern names? I think we'll have a collective suïcide here at EHM, because who really wants to fly an aircraft named Madonna? (or imagine: Britney Spears, Miss Piggy, Bert & Ernie, Brad Pitt etc. etc.)
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Maarten, I'd love to have a 738 called "Bert & Ernie". Robert!?!? ;D
Are we all in a funny mood this morning, or is it just me?
EDIT: Following on from Robert's "DJ Bobo" suggestion below, "MC Skibadee"...
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Hehe, nice comments...
back on track. The question is not stupid, but impossible with the most aircraft models. In the Microsoft models you can add your own tail-id that will appear on the plane tail. It is an XML code, or I do not know fo sure, but it is hardcoded into the visual model.
Since the add-on models do not contain this feature, we cannot use it. If they had, you could fly under any name you set. But why did not you ask: in ProPilot we have only 1 tail-ID for all the planes ? ;) It is the same problem. It would be nice to present all the different names and tail-ids, but we cannot.
About the names, there surely will not be artist names you mentioned :) But if we are going crazy, I would like to see a "Hanzel & Gratel" 737 :P ...or a "DJ Bobo" ;D
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eheh I am very happy to see many answers.... I was imaging only a virtual document with the names, something like a board with 30 famous names to give to our 747, not 30 different textures files.... :]
I would call my 767 arnold schwarzenegger (when he wasn't a politician...)
my 777 Daft Punk
my 737 Nelson Mandela
my EMB-170 with the name of my best friend
my Concorde that I am not able to fly with the name of that b**** of my philosophy teacher :@
Hope you find more nicest names,
Paolo Mazzoleni EHM-1612
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Nice idea but this should go to discussion in the forum and the final list developed from popular opinion. We are a European VA and consequently I would propose we stick to naming aircraft after people who have made significant contributions to Europe. (This could be a fascinating international debate as we jostel with our national heros.)
So, my list of English national heros for international debate as a starter is:
Sir Francis Drake (Bruno ... you may prefer to remember him as El Draco!)
Sir Winston Churchill
... oh and Frank Whittle, the inventor that made this hobby more fun by inventing the jet plane.
King Richard I (Lionheart) leader of the crusades ... always a popular guy in what is now part of Europe but then considered Asia.
Look forward to reading the responses here ;)
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Well Phil, I guess that may generate some healthy debate.
The only thing I would like to mention, we now have a Hub in the US so I guess we are no longer solely a European airline. We have a large contingent of active US pilots (about 13 at last count! then there are 4 Canadians, 3 Ausies, and the list goes on a bit! all told roughly 20% of our Active pilots!) one of whom is second most active member of our airline! I guess what I am trying to say, I personally think we should not discount world names like the Wright Brothers, Amelia Earhart, Chuck Yeager etc.
Just my 10 Cents or 10 Pence, depending on your location! :)
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Big 747 full of Bling called MC HAMMER!! dont dare say you wouldnt love it...
My idea would be to use sports stars, Van Basten, Beckenbower (sp :s??)
Or people who have made a big difference like Frank Whittle (jet engine) or name them places, a 767 called the City of Sunderland!;D
edit: With a name like Sunderland, It will go down very quickly so maybe not : Footy fans will know :P
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Hehehe We could call one Rooney, but then again, it would spend its life in maintenance! :)
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Hehe, if it comes to football, I have to mention my famous star when I was a kid: Dino Zoff, an italianer goalkeeper. For me he was the best 20 years ago ;D But Beckenbauer is a good choice too ;)
Well, we were discussing on this topic, and found out this concept:
Main Division: as now - famous scientists (Newton, Einstein, Coanda, etc)
Helicopters: famous writers
EuroCargo: famous person in the world of transportation
EuroHolidays: famous artists
EuroBusiness: famous businessmen (Rockefeller, Pulitzer, etc.)
These are still plans only, but you can see we did not change too much the original concept, as this is part of our image. And as Phil said, we are not only European anymore, so we cannot think of Europe's biggests :)
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How I hate Chuck Yeager... such a big shot only out to benefit himself (this, by the way, is only personal opinon, I don't to begin a debate).
Let's see, American national heroes...
1. George Washington
2. Babe Ruth
3. Thomas Jefferson
4. Thomas Edison
5. Inventor of Apple Pie (mmm!)
6. Wilbur Wright
7. Orville Wright
8. Martin L. King
9. Francis Scott Key
10. Frederic Auguste Bartholdi (French, but carved the Statue of Liberty)
11. Amelia Earhart
12. General Patton (ha!)
13. Eisenhower (THE only 5 star general)
14. John F. Kennedy
15. Abraham Lincoln
We've got a fair few!
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RW, I don't think anyone would disagree with you on your list of National Heroes, I was just picking aviation legends. War Heroes and Military personnel would cause a similar problem to politicians, remember when it comes to the Military, one countries Hero is another countries Villian.
With Roberts post above in mind, I'll start with a list of names following those guidelines.
1. Main Division - Tim Berners-Lee (Inventor of the WWW)
2. Helicopters - William Shakespeare
3. Eurocargo - Ernst Heinkel (Designer of the first ever Jet Aeroplane)
4. Euroholidays - Has to be Picasso for me
5. Eurobusiness - Richard Branson! (Hahahahahaha, although a competitor, he is a phenominal business man and I don't suppose he is a Virgin!)
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Not trying to cause a stir, just though I'd mention them lol. I've got WAY too much time on my hands!!
I like the idea you've presented Robert and Phil, quite original.
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RW - nice idea but the problem with US vs Europe for top names is that we have 2000 years of history and in the 400 years history that US has much of it is european led ... at least initially. George Washington would not have risen to his position if it wasn't for his work with and then against the English :) In fact, he was an unassuming guy who probably wouldn't have made world leader anywhere else in the world (I love stirring it)
So, if 20% of pilots in EHM are US and US has about a quarter of the modern history of europe that leaves the US with a 5% proportion of planes to name. Oh go on you guys ... you can have the wright brothers ... now, back to the Europeans. To add international flavour from a United Kingdom perspective perhaps we could include some philosophers - 'cos there sure ain't that many in the UK... oh hold on ... how about fallen politicians. We could have a great week. The Prescott (lands heavily and pretty much anywhere) The Charles Clarke (huge wings but not particularly aerodynamic). The Blair (always looks like it's about to crash but pulls out of the most terrifying tail spins and acts like nothing happened).
BTW Razza, from what I hear about Sunderland ladies, they'll go down pretty much anywhere.
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Do sports stars or musicians not fit into your list?
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Difficult one that Razza. I guess the answer is yes but not for transitory folk who are of the moment. I wouldn't for example include the likes of Madonna, or even Elton John. They are current yes but almost certainly of the moment. There would be an argument for people who have lived beyond their moment - e.g. John Lennon. Sport's stars again is a difficult one. The Americans here would argue for say, Babe Ruth. Most Europeans know he played Baseball and struck out dozens of times before ever getting a home run. However, most folk couldn't put a face or team to him. He is a national folk hero maybe but not an international star. Most of Europe would argue the same if we tried to place the likes of Geoff Hurst or Bobby Charlton up there. They are national heros but not really recognised in the same way internationally. For an international VA we would need people who are recognised internationally.
Sorry, for a moment I found myself being serious ... anyway back to winding up the yanks ;)
Otto Lilenthal is the father of flight and without him the Wright brothers would have had no starting point ... he deserves a named plane more therefore than the Wright brothers.
What about the inventor of television ... no .... calm down over the pond ... not Philo Farnsworth who although Time man of the year actually got there half a decade behind ... John Logie Baird.
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MC HAMMER is the best! ;D
This is my list of people that must be remembered for their big actions in the exploration and transport area:
1. Neil Armstrong
2. Iury Gagarin
3. the Wright brothers
4. Leonardo da Vinci for his studies on aerodinamic and flying objects
5. Icaro ( he was the first to fly)
6. Alexander Magnus for his explorations
7. Marco Polo for his travel
8. Cristoforo Colombo for his lucky action
9. Magellano for his fantastic half-travel ( he died in Philippines) around the world
10. Tom Cruise ( for his leading role in Apollo 13) :>
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Tom Cruise wasn't in Apollo 13 ... that was Tom Hanks.
Icaro ... why? Alexander Magnus ... not up there really on the whole International stage.
Marco Polo ... one of those strange ones where we need to nod and say .yeah, interesting guy. but on the international stage I would argue the guy isn't quite making the top list.
As I said, maybe Otto should have a place over Wilbur and Orville ... or is that the duck! Maybe Orville the duck should be up there ... I wish I could fly... right up to the sky ... and now I can with EHM :)
I like the inclusion of Neil Armstrong but alongside this Iury seems like an also ran. (Oh no ... what's happening to me ... I'm bigging up the americans!)
This is such a contentious issue ... I'm enjoying the debate. Perhaps we could throw in Barnes Wallace ... at least if the plane crashed out it would probably bounce :)
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Originally posted by philnutt
3. Eurocargo - Ernst Heinkel (Designer of the first ever Jet Aeroplane)
Or Frank Whittle perhaps ... if indeed Ernst first put the plane together that would be on the back of Frank's genius.
The problem is we need to find people who's history cannot be contended either. It really is impossible if you try and speak with the Americans who in four hundred years of history claim pretty much every invention. (Take the automobile - car - invented by the frenchman Joseph Cugnot in 1769. The gasoline variation later invented by Daimler and Benz. Now, go ask an American who invented the car! Indeed, do an internet search on it and you'll find thousands of pages of incorrect history!) We should try to avoid these disputes and find people internationally agreed to be the tops. (So, I take back my Sir Francis Drake lest those who remember him as the pirate, El Draco are offended ;) )
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Oh Paolo, what have you done?????? You started this thread and now you just sit back and laugh! ;)
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Did I really say Tom Cruise?? :]
Now I am really enjoying this debate but I haven't understood yet what the managment is going to do...
Does the name chart idea works? Which is the biggest problem between the built of the chart and the chosen the names? Tell me this please because I don't know.....
MC HAMMER IS 4EVER
I thought Magellano is a great idea, maybe Marco Polo can go somewhere else ;D
Paolo Mazzoleni EHM-1612
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Couldn't we just have a list of the planes names on the website, just for eye candy.
Heres the list for the 737's... ;D
Ali Al Habsi
Nicky Hunt
Kevin Nolan
Bruno N'Gotty
Gary Speed
Stelios Giannakopoulos
Iván Campo
Henrik Pedersen
Jay Jay Okocha
Ricardo Gardner
Ian Walker
Kevin Davies
Radhi Jaïdi
Hidetoshi Nakata
Matt Jansen
Jared Borgetti
Ricardo Vaz Té
2El-Hadji Diouf
Jussi Jääskeläinen
Joey O'Brien
Abdoulaye Diagne-Faye
Tal Ben Haim
Oscar Pérez
Khalilou Fadiga
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Wow, this is tricky. However, I have another idea for you all:
Why not name the planes based on manufacturer?
Most of the fleet appears to be European-made, like Fokker, Saab, Dornier, Tupolev, Airbus, BAe etc... and there are a few American aircraft like Boeing, Douglas, Bell (unsure about the other ones). So, why not name the aircraft by famous Americans/Europeans depending on their manufacturer? Maybe, if this change was implimented, the new names could come out with the new paint scheme for the aircraft?
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Maybe the poll is the only solution ;)
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But what names to put on the poll Paolo?
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Ok, so I suppose we'll just bypass my idea?
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What about Yuri Gagarin ??
Colonel Yuri Alexeyevich Gagarin, the first man in space, while the first space walk was by Alexei Leonov on the Voskhod Spacecraft. they both also deserve to be mentioned on one of our aircrafts
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Well Ben your idea would be great if we where only european and american pilot here. But we can't just make it about famous people from USA and Europe, because we have pilot from other parts of the world then those two. So we still need to think world, and I don't think that going to be an easy job. Even if we just used famous europeans that wouldn't be easy. Philip came up with Sir Francis Drake, but then had second thoughts because that might offend some. Same thing would be the case if someone where to bring up the name of Lord Horatio Nelson. As a Dane I wouldn't be that happy to fly in a plane named after him. So we need to agree on someone that are famous not just in the whole world. No matter if they are from USA, europe, asia or another part of the world.
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i am from singapore but i would agree with both sides.
If only i could think of an internationally known Singaporean...
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You're absolutely right Karsten; we need to take a global approach to the situation but that's near impossible! So here's another idea that we might like to consider.
We all vote on a single 'category' (scientist, discoverer, musician, artist, what have you) and from that category choice we create a contingent of international icons in that field.
What do you think about that?
Another Idea: 30 aircraft divided amongst 6 (won't count Antarctica LOL)continents = 5 aircraft each. Essentially there will be 5 people from each of the 6 continents represented. Maybe this would be more fair.
Just offering ideas!
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I think that it is impossible to choose only 5 people internationally known of each continent we can do a poll with 20 votes for pilot and everyone can put in the poll 5 names, the top 30 names will be chosen, even if I think that we have 30 "747" to name and what about other airplanes??
I counted the main division aircrafts and they are 180......who can give 180 names??? I am going to leave the poll idea and I am starting thinking that all the pilots that want can choose 7 or 8 international people and they become directly names on the chart....
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@ Tim, Bolton are almost as Bad as Sunderland lol, so who would want their players all over a fleet of 737's lol!
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Well Paolo, even if we could come up 180 names, I would think it's a waste of time. As far as I understand it, the only name the aircraft is going have is the one that Robert put on it during the painting.
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exactly...
I personally think that robert needs to change his names;) but it really isnt an issue with us at the moment
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It is a so nice conversation, I do not remember a topic in the EHM history that got so much attention and ideas from pilots. ;D
Well, the name list is half way complete, but new ideas are always welcome. I think we will not brake anybodys feelings if we add famous historical names of people who only add something to the mankind, instead of destroy anything. Perhaps I should add my own name too ... ;D
Although, nobody mentioned General Patton! Our MD-17 is called Patton now. I gave this name, because the airplane is American, and a military development, also very strong and powerful. It seems non of the German pilots disagreed or were complaining about the name. But to avoid it too in the future, we will not add names that came from the history of wars ;)
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What is the fascination with soccer??
We should name the aircraft after the Los Angeles Lakers basketball team LOL ;D
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Robert I agree, I think we haven't had a topic where people have had so many ideas. Reminds me a little about the old days, when MT wanted to change the fleet. Changes in the fleet back then could really make some people get bend out of shape. But I don't miss those days. We have a much more friendly community today. Sorry for this trip down the old memory highway.
I think we will not brake anybodys feelings if we add famous historical names of people who only add something to the mankind, rather to destroy anything. Perhaps I should add my own name too ... ;D
Would that be as someone that added something or someone that destroyed things?:%
Sorry I couldn't resist
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So the managment final decision is to create the board or what? I haven't understood it yet...
I am very happy to have started this topic and I think that EHM pilots have many ideas, managment has only to help them to shout it to each EHM pilot... :>
Paolo Mazzoleni
P.S. Are we gonna create 180 names????
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Wow, creating 180 names might be a bit of a nightmare if we can't even agree on a few...
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Thx Karsten, I modified the text...sorry for missunderstanding.
Well, the topic was started to discuss if we can have more names visible on 1 airplane model, not to help giving ideas to the name list. The answer to the original question was NO.
We surely do not need 180 names. Maybe not need any, but as the topic turned into a name collection, maybe we can use some really good ideas on the newly painted airplanes ;)
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OK thank you for help
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Originally posted by Roger_Wilco
What is the fascination with soccer??
It's called FOOTBALL! Has nothing to do with socks.;D
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It's called FOOTBALL! Has nothing to do with socks.;D
;D