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« on: February 02, 2008, 03:27:09 pm »
Am I the only FSX pilot that has to close the FLogger between flights under WideFS? I cannot get it to do a new log for love nor money.

Using latest FSUIPC/WideFS combo, FSX under Vista HP X64, and the FLogger runs under WinXP SP2 (x86). Further, I never had this 'issue' under FS9.
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2008, 06:27:12 pm »
Sorry the only problem I had was explained here:

http://www.fly-euroharmony.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=4013
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2008, 09:06:47 pm »
I have to restart flogger every flight and im using xp and FS9. It wont do a second log even if i sacrifice 3 goats to it. :S
The problem might be on flogger.

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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2008, 06:15:20 pm »
I think it is safer, so your logs will not mix in any way because of an unwanted engine start or badly scheduled fuel filling or such. To be honest I do not see why those some clicks make so much problem. ;)

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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2008, 05:36:13 pm »
I think that is a good item for the FAQ or Knowledge Base.

Has EHM considered an alternative Acars application, one that is more reliable than the one I use (with me it crashes 2 out of 5 times when SUBMITTING PIREP). Always with some cryptic numeric error.

At Virtual Pilots the have a deal with the people of FS Acars so that members that are registered for more than N months can get it at a discount. Yet members are not forced to acquire it. Anyway, just got into my mind again after it crashed yet again :)

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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2008, 11:11:49 pm »
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I think that is a good item for the FAQ or Knowledge Base.

Has EHM considered an alternative Acars application, one that is more reliable than the one I use (with me it crashes 2 out of 5 times when SUBMITTING PIREP). Always with some cryptic numeric error.

At Virtual Pilots the have a deal with the people of FS Acars so that members that are registered for more than N months can get it at a discount. Yet members are not forced to acquire it. Anyway, just got into my mind again after it crashed yet again :)


Didimo,

Why do I have a feeling of deja vu here!!!!!

Flight logger was designed for FS2002 originally and was upgraded through FS2004... It will work with Vista and FSX, albeit with some quirks that are not terminal! The only way to iron these issues out is by a complete recoding of flight logger  but of course, you are already aware that we are recoding the flight logger aren't you????

The current Flight logger was revolutionary for it's time and when the new flogger sees the light of day I am sure it will be equally well received as it predecessor was, please just hold tight and bare with us! (as with everything to do with Flight Simulator we are not going to commit to a timescale but I can assure you it is a long way off still!)

We will never offer a service that requires a pilot to purchase "PAYWARE"  addons. (although where possible we support payware aircraft but there is always a freeware alternative) As I am aware FSACARS is freeware although it is also discontinued and will not be supported anymore in its current version, certainly not for VISTA and FSX so it would be quite pointless us making the switch especially as our flight logger was around before FSACARS was. (BTW FSACARS 5 is not due out this year either!)
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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2008, 07:14:50 am »
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I have to restart flogger every flight and im using xp and FS9. It wont do a second love even if i sacrifice 3 goats to it. :S
The problem might be on flogger.


Same here, but only Vista & FS9 ... Not a real problem IMHO..

Other then that FLogger works like a charm for me ;)

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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2008, 02:45:09 pm »
Hmm... K, so it's a "feature" some of us have and other don't, and overall not a real problem for most of us. As Phil rightly points out, FL3 was started a good few years ago and had to be compatible with both old and new FS (at that time...) Frankly, I'm pleased it works at all with FSX.

Interesting to get a feel for the spread though, we can take this on board for the FL4 feature list.
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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2008, 10:37:27 pm »
I'm using XP & FS9 and this also happened to me in the past. The first time I discovered that flogger didn't log my second flight was when I wanted to submit my pirep for that flight. First I didn't understand what was wrong but a couple of days later when I started my second flight that day, the green bar didn't appear at the top of my screen after starting my engines. I looked in flogger and I saw it was not logging that flight. After restarting flogger it started logging and I knew what I did "wrong" the other day.

Now I'm used to a couple of extra clicks, maybe it's better this way.
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   I think it is safer, so your logs will not mix in any way because of an unwanted engine start or badly scheduled fuel filling or such. To be honest I do not see why those some clicks make so much problem. ;)


I think the current flogger is very user-friendly. I hope the new/updated version will work as easy as the current one.

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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2008, 08:46:35 am »
My point has been that a program that is well designed would properly handle its exceptions rather than doing the crash and burn thing. FL often crashes with "Error <place a number here)" for simple things that could have been easily avoided with:

a) more error checking
b) better error handling

Those are crucial things that every person that is serious about software development is. I have been in the IT profession for 18 years, I know what I am talking about.

Because it is free? no excuse mates, I also developed freeware for good many years and I never followed that line of thought that because I was not profiting financially (even for the support) I did not care about solving the issues.

Sorry if I am stepping on somebody's toes here but s/w development IS my passion.

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Technical Architect @ A company :)

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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2008, 09:55:02 am »
Didimo,

I'm sure it's been mentioned before but the V3 Flight Logger is very old (in software terms) and hasn't been actively developed for almost as long.

Furthermore, it was practically a one-man product even when it was being actively developed. Do write to Microsoft and complain about bugs in Windows 3.1?

(The above is personal position, not MT. I too am a software developer, I'm part of the team working on the new Flight Logger - heck, I'm the project manager on it - and we're dealing with things in a very different way with it.)
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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2008, 12:11:46 pm »
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Originally posted by EHM-2198 Didimo
My point has been that a program that is well designed would properly handle its exceptions rather than doing the crash and burn thing. FL often crashes with "Error <place a number here)" for simple things that could have been easily avoided with:


I dont know if its your case, but one day trying to save a pirep (not submitting it), it gave me such an error and it closed. I was pissed hehe.

But after some checking I understood the reason, the paths in the program were pointing to a non-existing drive (One of my hard drives had died). So all I did was correct said paths and all was OK.

Maybe a suggestion for next FL would be that if the thing cant find the path, give us a more verbose comment about it, and when we click OK it shouldnt close the proggy all together making us lose our flight ^^

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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2008, 12:15:42 pm »
Already in the list Mariano. Trust me, we spent a fair amount of time digging up the niggles in FLv3 before we drew up the list of features for FLv4.

I fully expect most everyone to be very happy with FLv4 (but please, don't ask about release dates, beta testing or anything of that nature. We're not in a position to talk about such things.)
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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2008, 09:32:00 am »
Hello. I have read through the posts but desided to post one myselfe. I´m a turbo prop captain as of a few hours ago and quite inexperiensed. So far I have had to submit my pireps manually.
I use the flogger to get timetables, but cannot make it log my flights.
I belive this is due to my lack of experience with it and not nesseserely any program errors. My question is:
Can someone please take the time to guide me through it in extreme detail?
I use FSX on Vista.

Sincerely
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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2008, 01:31:17 pm »
Hi Rony,

here's how I go through, using the FLLogger.
i assume you can open it and enter your passwords OK as you already use it for timetable information.

So here goes step by step:
1 - Start your FSX, and make sure that you engines are OFF (very important this one).
[You can also choose that you start with engines off by default. This is done by loading any flight in FSX, turning the engines off, save the flight and mark it as the DEFAULT flight.]

2 - Fire off the FLLogger

You get a screen looking like this.


3 - Use the buttones to select your flight. There are many ways to make a selection.

i)First by using the division buttons you exclude any division you don't want to use


ii) You can also click on the Class numbers to exclude any classes you don't want. (Dont worry if not all classes are available this is due to your current rank. As you progress more classes will become available)

iii)Using the drop-down lists you can see what is available by airport, country or city


Anyway, let's say we want to choose a class 1 flight from Torino to Zurich. ( 1469 )

4 - Once you highlight this flight you get this screen:
notice that already there are limited numbers of aircraft to choose from according to the flight's class


5 - Choose an aircraft. In this case let's choose the B-1900D. Once you highlight the B-1900D you get a screen like this:



Once those two green lights are lit you're ready to go.
Fly your flight and have fun :-)

Once you are done flying, parked and turn the engines off you're ready to report the PiRep.



Just click on the Submit PiRep button and you're good to go.
All done!!

If you have any further questions, just let me know :)

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« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2008, 01:46:20 pm »
Thanks for the tutorial :-)

Does it not matter that FSX pauses when opening Flogger?

Sinderely
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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2008, 08:14:28 pm »
Yep. Pauses are calculated and eventually subtracted from the flight's total.
However, as you may start flying on-line you may want to desable the "Pause on Task Switch" option in the General options.
(Otherwise you will be as hanging in mid-air to all other pilots if you do pause)

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« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2008, 09:25:19 pm »
Ahhh... Thanks. Was wondering about that. For instance when using the map I was wondering what that would look like for others. That claryfies alot. Was not aware of the "Pause on Task Switch".

Thank you :-)

 

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