Online long flight group event

[EHM-0654 Murray]

Hopefully you've read the event announcement before arriving here, but basically the January Online Flying Event will be a two-leg marathon on IVAO, going from what will be our new continental US hub Atlanta [KATL] to Gran Canaria [GCLP] (GCD 3,509.9nm GPS direct), then following a short rest, refuel and turn around we will continue on to Lisbon [LPPT] (GCD 721.7nm GPS direct).

I'll be building an event page soon, but in the mean time feal free to discuss this event here.

EDIT: And to avoid any confusion later, this is a NON ProPilot event. As with all the online events, all classes of pilots are welcome, and can fly any fleet or authorised payware aircraft that has sufficient range to complete the flight (a class 7 bird or the 767-300ER from class 6).

[EHM-0654 Murray]

Start of the discussion, the routes...

For KATL to GCLP RouteFinder spat this out (only "defaults" turned on)

KATL DAWGS2 SPA J14 CREWE J51 OTT J150 OOD J42 DAVYS J191 RBV J62 ACK C1142E WHALE N35A BANCS NATY GUNSO UN486 OMOKO T16 SNT UN975 ORTIS STAR GCLP

Which clocks in at 4,639.0nm

For GCLP-LPPT I got the following

GCLP SID SAMAR UN873 BAROK UZ4 NAKOS STAR LPPT

A mere 735.0nm

[EHM-1281 Cyriel]

Looks like it will be an intresting day. I will sure try and be there. Good opertunity to take my pmdg 747 out of the hanger and for a spin:8

[EHM-1657 Jay]

For the long haul, I am not in the right class yet Is that going to matter for the event?

[EHM-1281 Cyriel]

normally you can fly any online event regarding of your class

[EHM-1343 Jonathan]

I should be there, ages since i took a hop across the pond from the states to Europe...

Tough decision for me...  PSS 777 or the PMDG 747, at least i got lots of time to think

Sorry murray for posting in the announcment earlier by accident i deleted it and moved it here;D

[EHM-0654 Murray]

Not a problem Jon, I never even noticed

Further point for discussion, a date (and more importantly time) for this event...

Can't be midweek for obvious reasons, and I'd prefer a Sunday event to a Saturday event (as the SO and I do our weekly shopping on a Saturday at 2000Z) - 22nd or 29th of January gives lots of flight planning time. Opinions?

As far as time goes, we're going to need to start early to have any chance of finishing at a reasonable time - how does 0930Z sound to everyone?

[EHM-1358 Tim]

Sounds great!

I can't do the 21st or the 22nd. But I should be able to do the 29th.

Just wondering, like in the real world, I saw a Canadian station on IVAO, in his 'ATIS' it said that SECAL was active, just wondering, is this possible to simulate on IVAO?

[EHM-1358 Tim]

Originally posted by Tim
Sounds great!

I can't do the 21st or the 22nd. But I should be able to do the 29th.

Just wondering, like in the real world, I saw a Canadian station on IVAO, in his 'ATIS' it said that SECAL was active, just wondering, is this possible to simulate on IVAO?

Oh and is there any chance I can use my 767? I don't really prefer either of the 747's available for the EHM (the PMDG I just don't have the time to learn, even though it would be a breeze, seeing I already know one Beoing system, and the Meljet 744 burns of 100% fuel in about 3 hours.)
I've worked out that I would have enought fuel for the biggest leg (126,814lbs).

Oh and what would the alt airports be for both legs?

[EHM-1703 Philip]

I will try my damdest to be there but I can't make any promises yet, the 29th would be good for me too.

Well, i have been playing with I-Fly's creation lately but with it not being in fleet colours I won't be taking that. (Unless anybody has any ideas)

So I guess I will be bringing over my trusty A340. (Again any ideas on a way of getting the PSS Panel to operate on our A340??)

Cheers,

[EHM-0654 Murray]

29th it is... I probably have enough information to make a start on the event page now.

Phil, assuming the PSS isn't doing anything too clever with its panel, you can just copy over the panel.cfg to the fleet variant. Remember to back up the fleet panel.cfg first, of course...

Me, I'll be flying the EHB 777 with the panel tweeked out to work with my Project Magenta setup.

BTW, I flew the shorter leg last night in the EHM 738 for test purpose - little under two hours with the wind coming from the left at FL410 with an IAS of .780 Mach.

[EHM-0654 Murray]

Originally posted by JayKae
For the long haul, I am not in the right class yet Is that going to matter for the event?

Jay,

Sorry for the delay in replying directly - as per the edit in the first post really.

We try to make the online events inclusive; any class of pilot is welcome to take part in any class of aircraft that will make the range without sneeky in-flight refueling, so if you're Class 1 you'd be permitted to fly a Class 7 aircraft on the first leg (which you're not, but for the purpose of explanation)...

[EHM-1281 Cyriel]

Some preliminary fuel calculations would be nice as well nex tto the route suggestion;)

[EHM-0654 Murray]

"Lots!" and "Less!" respectively



Well, for GCLP-LPPT, I loaded 75% (wing tanks) on the 737-800 and still had over twice reserve when I landed when I test flew it last night.

Any of you young'uns that know the Class 7 birds a little better than I do feel like chipping in?

[EHM-1281 Cyriel]

Well I can do the calculation (for a 747) myself then and will post it here. Anyone has an idea of the winds that are normal between fl310 and fl410 for the 1st leg?

[EHM-0654 Murray]

Again, not overly representative, but last night at FL410 I was getting 259/54 and 301/41, which would suggest a fair tail wind from KATL.

I'll do proper flight plans in FSNav/Project Magenta tonight and post the findings.

[EHM-1343 Jonathan]

I will take the 777-200 LR

Iain (1617) and i reckon there will be a nice stiff tailwind for the trip, so around 6 hours for flight time...Iain said it was something to do with earths rotation, I just agreed

Tim, That will me no prob for the 767

Any dates ok for me, bu has to be a weekend

[EHM-1617 Iain]

Woah, that was just an educated guess from experience and something I heard somewhere. I haven't read it or nuffink.

But the winds aloft usally come from somewhere near the West.

[EHM-0654 Murray]

Totally OT, a question for all you PSS 777 pilots out there - how do I silence the NAV radios on it?

And regarding winds, I've had the 777 flying the first leg all evening (took off about 2000Z) and using the route I gave above, I've had an 80+ kt tail wind the whole way so far...

[EHM-1358 Tim]

I'm trying to get FSBuild, which would give proper fuel readouts for all your a/c.

On the day, check the winds out here...
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real-time/



Tursty conversion table here...
http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/7311/ktmph.html

If the scale dosn't work, you will have to find one. (For the winds)

[EHM-1358 Tim]

Originally posted by Murray Crane

KATL DAWGS2 SPA J14 CREWE J51 OTT J150 OOD J42 DAVYS J191 RBV J62 ACK C1142E WHALE N35A BANCS NATY GUNSO UN486 OMOKO T16 SNT UN975 ORTIS STAR GCLP

That route takes you over the Atlantic past Greenland, the UK, LPPT, and then GCLP.

[EHM-1500 Jim]

Sounds good, am free that weekend so will try and make it if posssible, Jim

[EHM-0948 Bruno]

Hi Tim,

I will try to get a more direct route not passing by England  but descending a little bit already to GCLP ...

[EHM-0654 Murray]

Originally posted by Tim
That route takes you over the Atlantic past Greenland, the UK, LPPT, and then GCLP.

And in my own defence, that was never intended as *the* route, merely an example from RouteFinder for planning purposes.

Having said that though, I'm going to guess that more southerly routes won't be any shorter (just arranging the patching of all the machines I look after at work because of MS releasing a patch for the WMF vulnerability... buggers...)

[EHM-1657 Jay]

So errr what about VATSIM, as I have said before my system does NOT like IvAp So will everyone be on IVAO ?