Author Topic: Plane Suddenly Drops out of Sky (G-Force?) (Read 11707 times)

EHM-1730 Geoffrey · « **on:** November 03, 2005, 02:47:35 pm »

I tried flying both a320 and b737 just now.

When I was climbing to FL220 (cruise height) at above 10,000feet suddenly a message from the flight logger appears. I can't remember the exact words but it's something like this: "Maximum G-force (weight load) exceeded, aircraft damaged." and the plane falls out of the sky. Has this got to do with the vertical speed? It was set at 1800fpm. If not what could have caused this to happen?

Can someone please enlighten me on this thanks!

Regards,

EHM-1651 Christian · « **Reply #1 on:** November 03, 2005, 02:58:30 pm »

Probably an sudden change in FS weather, turbulense or change of wind direction or speed. THis happen when you cross different flightlevels because the weather in FS sets the wind in separete altitudes.
at FL120-FL160 zero wind but at FL170 wind 245/34, then you get an sudden change in airspeed. The same goes with turbulens.

You can use the FSUIPC registered versio to smooth these effects or you can also turn of the turbulence effect in FS.

I'v stalled the B763ER when trying to climb Crz levels because of this to,
you get an sudden tailvind of to many knots and the plane losses to much airspeed and you go into a sudden stall, or the aircraft can get an headwind and you bleed of the airspeed more slowly.. The stall will lead to a sudden drop of altitude, at en excessive rate witch add's a lot of G-fore almost like an rollercoaster droppen staraight down.

I hope all I said is correct otherwise please correckt me:8

EHM-1554 Chris · « **Reply #2 on:** November 03, 2005, 05:27:37 pm »

Yes this has happedn to me before in Sweeden climbing in a 763ER it basically fel out of the sky, although im suspicous of a little bit of ice

Christian is correct FS does have strange wx changes and can be annoying, you know when your flying straight and level at 340 then u suddenly overspped, yep its the sudden change of winds,

also the airspeed peels of in the climb due to presure change nt headwind, headwind will kill ur ground speed

Regards

Chris

EHM-1150 Armando · « **Reply #3 on:** November 03, 2005, 10:07:31 pm »

In FlightLogger ProPilot, realism is set to max and crash detection is activated (only in PP flights)

If that strange behaviour has to do with sudden change in FS weather, then I'll investigate and try to add an option to 'smoth weather changes' from FlightLogger configuration. This is not a promise that it will be done, just that I'll investigate, ok?

Regards
Armando Chibante

EHM-1703 Philip · « **Reply #4 on:** November 03, 2005, 11:22:47 pm »

Iain Butler (1617) gave me a good tip tonight, you can smooth the weather in the IVaP control panel, of course, only works when flying online but at least it's an incentive to fly on IAVO. Hope to see you online soon!

EHM-1651 Christian · « **Reply #5 on:** November 04, 2005, 12:12:50 am »

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Originally posted by Chrisp
Yes this has happedn to me before in Sweeden climbing in a 763ER it basically fel out of the sky, although im suspicous of a little bit of ice

Christian is correct FS does have strange wx changes and can be annoying, you know when your flying straight and level at 340 then u suddenly overspped, yep its the sudden change of winds,

also the airspeed peels of in the climb due to presure change nt headwind, headwind will kill ur ground speed

Regards

Chris

Well knew something I said was wrong but couldn't figure it out. But my fellow pilots always step in to help thanks alot :8

EHM-1730 Geoffrey · « **Reply #6 on:** November 04, 2005, 09:25:34 am »

And there's something weird I noticed with the a320. When taking off on autopilot (which I usually do with other aircraft) the wheels of the plane just wouldn't lift off the ground (hence my plane crashed on my 4th PP flight).

It never happened when I did a test flight from Hong Kong to Macau as soon as I d/l the a320 model.

However though, I did try d/l and install a custom a320 panel after that test flight and realised it isn't working well so I uninstalled it immediately. It was only after that that the weird situation I described above appeared. Could it be that I accidentally meddled with some Modules or something and deleted something that caused this to occur?

Regards,

EHM-1730 Geoffrey · « **Reply #7 on:** November 04, 2005, 09:43:55 am »

The penalty that I received goes like this:

Pen 019: Max load factor (G Force) exceeded. Aircraft damaged

So this is due to turbulence? However I don't d/l real world weather and the wind direction would not be likely to change suddenly.

By the way, what would be a good vertical spd for takeoff for the 737 and 320? And what's their recommended cruise speed?

Regards

EHM-1651 Christian · « **Reply #8 on:** November 04, 2005, 10:47:23 am »

For climb and decent charts: just see the fleetpages, it's in all main division download pages. where you can see the climb, and decent rates

EHM-1554 Chris · « **Reply #9 on:** November 04, 2005, 01:11:56 pm »

Hello well the climb rate entirely depends on teh weights etc, so if you can find some charts which will explain various takeoff speeds and the appropiate Vertical speed u should be looking good::]

The crusise speed also depend on many factors again such as distance weights wind etc,, but i would say on avg the 737 crusises between M .74-.78 asnd the airbus similar mayb a bit quicker but all in all there similar

I think!! lol

EHM-1651 Christian · « **Reply #10 on:** November 04, 2005, 01:30:28 pm »

The performace charts for A320/330/340 can befound at PSS website under support-produckt manuals: see Airbus pro for A320 and A330/340 for these.

Link direct to manuals
PSS Manuals

EHM-1730 Geoffrey · « **Reply #11 on:** November 04, 2005, 01:32:33 pm »

Here's a pic of how my a320 tries to takeoff. It just simply won't lift off from the ground!

Furthermore, the vert speed was set at 700fpm to climb to FL220.

EHM-1651 Christian · « **Reply #12 on:** November 04, 2005, 02:47:09 pm »

If the panel you were using simulates the a320 systems you won't be able to turn on the a/p before you are airborn. You must configure the plane for t/o and use toga a/t mode. When airborn engage a/p

EHM-0962 Zhen Yi · « **Reply #13 on:** November 04, 2005, 02:50:01 pm »

it wont climb as the angle of attack is way too high....lets just say that the plane stalled while on the ground :] the autopilot shouldnt be used for takeoff as it responds too slowly and tends to pull the plane into extreme manuveurs when the plane does not respond quickly enough, such as the one shown above

EHM-1730 Geoffrey · « **Reply #14 on:** November 04, 2005, 02:50:41 pm »

I have uninstalled the custom panel cos I felt it was too complicated to use already... :| I think it was after then that these problems started occuring.

Anyway, shall fly euroholidays MD 83 instead for the meantime...

And thanks to those who tried to offer help, it was greatly appreciated :>

Happy Flying,

EHM-1651 Christian · « **Reply #15 on:** November 04, 2005, 03:00:42 pm »

A hint if you are usen the md83panel infleet pages set ILS on both navradios, or the plane will just lower the nose. Tried it out luckely the waters around the lanzarote is warm..... also during winter season;)

EHM-1730 Geoffrey · « **Reply #16 on:** November 04, 2005, 03:11:08 pm »

Haha ok I see... anyway I'm just sticking to the default 737 one man after all I'm used to using it already. And it takes a rather long time to d/l the panel though. :s

EHM-1358 Tim · « **Reply #17 on:** November 04, 2005, 04:40:35 pm »

What about your weight? You can't lift of if your too heavy. And in real life, they normaly burn of some fuel before climbing to there max alt.

EHM-0005 Maarten · « **Reply #18 on:** November 04, 2005, 05:51:43 pm »

Or maybe your trim setting is too high?

EHM-1651 Christian · « **Reply #19 on:** November 04, 2005, 06:22:20 pm »

I think the a/p will overtrim the plane when reaching Vrotate and the nose is lifting.

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