FSPassengers

[EHM-0654 Murray]

I've downloaded and install this, and I'm intrigued enough to properly give the "demo" a go, but...

Does anyone have an EHM "model" for it? The VA features look remarkably similar to what we doing with PP (only a lot more "passenger-centric"), and I see the opportunity to "embrace and extend" FSP into the PP framework (Bruno, don't worry, I'm just "blue skying" for now... )

[EHM-0654 Murray]

Well, after one test flight I bought FSP, and I'm loving it.

My EHM company has successfully transacted a single flight (I'm going to restrict myself to the IVAO VFR WT for now) and my passenger was extremely happy with the flight, apart from the turbulence as we were coming in to land and hitting +1.31G for 0.07sec (cost me 5% points those did! If he didn't want turb, he should have flown in a bigger aircraft...)

One question for any real PPLs out there; light order? when do you turn what lights on?

The Jabiru 2 model I'm using for the VFRWT has Landing, Taxi, Nav and Strobe/Beacon. The EHM FLogger (and my PMDG procedures sheets) tell me that I need to have landing and strobes on before engine start (and personally, that's always been my understanding - strobes on as you start the engine, strobes off when you shut down), but FSP tells me off for leaving the strobes on during taxi out/in. Who's right? (Let me guess, both...)

[EHM-1539 Pierre]

PMDG procedures tells you to have strobes on before startup ??
I think you are mistaken with beacon.
FSP is right (but Propilot too since it's the same conditions).

Official Boeing 744 Aircraft Operating Manual :

Before Start Procedure
Accomplish this procedure after papers are on board and flight crew is ready for push back and/or engine start.
BEACON light switch................................................................... BOTH

Takeoff procedure :
Pilot Not Flying - Position Inboard Landing Lights and Strobe Light switches ON.

Landing lights always ON below 10000 feet

After Landing Procedure
Accomplish this procedure when clear of the active runway.
STROBE lights switch ......................................................................OFF
INBOARD landing lights switches ...................................................OFF

Shutdown Procedure
FUEL CONTROL switches ...................................................... CUTOFF
[...]
BEACON lights switch..................................................................... OFF


MSN me if you want the real manual (900+ pages). After reading it the PMDG one will be good for the trash bin.
If you know how to fly the real ones then you know how to fly the FS addons after all

[EHM-0654 Murray]

Ooooooooooooooh!?!?!?!

It's not a PDF is it PF? That would be loverly...

[EHM-1539 Pierre]

It is, merry christmas :8
Opening it is a deadly trap.
I read it entirely 2 years ago, but I can't help refreshing my memory about the hydraulics and bleed air detailed systems :]
I opened it to help you, I end up 3 hours in front of my PC..

You may ask me AOMs for the old 737, all the 737NGs, A319, and 777 too.

[EHM-0654 Murray]

Originally posted by maabaa
It is, merry christmas :8
Opening it is a deadly trap.
I read it entirely 2 years ago, but I can't help refreshing my memory about the hydraulics and bleed air detailed systems :]
I opened it to help you, I end up 3 hours in front of my PC..

You may ask me AOMs for the old 737, all the 737NGs, A319, and 777 too.

Now you really are tempting me... I'll grab you next time I'm on MSN (tonight, maybe???), and we can discuss this properly...

[EHM-0654 Murray]

Originally posted by maabaa
It is, merry christmas :8

Just so as you know PF, the package has been collected :8

Oh, and thanks again

[EHM-1745 Ferry]

Hi,

I have fsp and i want to use it with pp, are there any problems to use it with pp?, i mean the flightrules of fsp are they the same as pp?

[EHM-0361 Karsten]

Hi, Ferry

There shouldn't be any problems using both PP and fsp. As PP is now it's so to speak a bit of a fsp lite. The flight rules are the same, however fsp has some extra rules that PP don't have at this moment. Like remember to set flaps before take off. Remember to set altmeter to the correct setting. And of course whatever you do, don't crash as that can be fatal just like in the real world. But if I remember correctly you can turn that of. There is of course a difference in the penalty point system. But you might find that fsp is a bit more difficult to please then PP. Just like your passengers can be very demanding.

[EHM-1745 Ferry]

Ok,Karsten,thnx for the info
My next flight is with fsp  and pp:>

[EHM-0654 Murray]

And watch out for those lights... (Nav before battery on, beacon before engine start, landing and strobe just before T/O roll...)



I've just flown leg 17/33 on the IVAO VFR WT (South America). As I'm descending into the field (La Pedrera in Colombia), a Thunderstorm appears literally out of nowhere (ASV SkyWatch made no mention of rain, let alone a thunderstorm, when I checked ATIS mere minutes before) and what had been a 100% flight up to that point (first in a while, the SA VFR WT is hell for passengers in an unpressurized plane) rapidly went to rat droppings... turbulence like nobodies business, 10kt crosswind (in a plane that is only certified to handle a 15kt crosswind) and so little visibility that my visual base leg was about five seconds long... so I land (stalling just a foot above the rwy), and roll-out, waiting patiently for the passenger fear to disipate, then taxi off of the runway onto the grass at the side and close out the flight... and get a great little surprise - a "perfect" flight! I love this add-on (and for all you folks out there using it with EHM flight, get your arrival times close to spot on, the passengers love that...)

Here's the FSP report:-

Flight EHM802               flight report log             Date November 20 2005

Flight ID:   EHM802
Pilot:   Murray Crane
Company:   EuroHarmony
Aircraft:   Jabiru2
Flight Date:   November 20 2005
Departure:   12h29 (16h29 GMT)
Arrival:   15h27 (19h28 GMT)
From:   SWEI
To:   SKLP
Nbr of Passengers:    1

Report:

Flight Distance:   321 Nm   Landing Speed:   37.97 kt
Time Airborne:   02h55:25   Landing Touchdown:   -437.69 ft/m
Flight Time (block):   02h57:43   Landing Pitch:   6.60°
Time On Ground:   00h05:44   Landing Weight:   1245 lbs
Average Speed:   109.94 kt   Total Fuel Used:   175 lbs
Max. Altitude:   9665ft   Fuel Not Used:   99 lbs
Climb Time:   00h12:37   Climb Fuel Used:   17 lbs
Cruise Time:   02h18:42   Cruise Fuel Used:   136 lbs
Average Cruise Speed:   115.92 kt (M0.18)   Cruise fuel/hour:   58 lbs (calc)
Descent Time:   00h24:06   Descent Fuel Used:   22 lbs


Passenger Opinion: Exceptional flight (100%)
-Are pleased to have landed right on schedule.
-Are relieved to have landed safely after the extreme weather they experienced during landing.

Financial Report:

Ticket Income:   +132€   (321 Nm)
Cargo Income:   +120€   (198 lbs)
Services Income:   +0€   (0 sandwich 0 hot food 0 drink)
Services Cost:   -0€   (20% quality)
Fuel Cost:   -117€   (175 lbs 100LL)
Airport Taxes:   -1€   (Small Aircraft)
Insurance Costs:   -10€   (4.32% rate)
Total Real Income:   125€    
Total Income:   6'261€    (real x50)  
Fleet Bonus:   0€        (0 aircraft)
Total Sim Income:   6'261€    (total income+fleet bonus)

Company Reputation:

Considering that the flight was perfect,the tickets price low,passengers on this flight think that your company's reputation should be 100%
Your company reputation is now: 82% (+1.75 increase)


Overall Flight Result:   Perfect

Pilot Bonus points:   526 points
Perfect Flight, no problems and very satisfied passengers. (+150)
You landed at the scheduled airport. (+30)
Precise arrival time at destination.(-00h07:44 difference) (+100)
Long flight (02h55) without using time acceleration, without any problems and with satisfied passengers. (+146)
Extreme weather conditions during approach, but a safe landing and satisfied passengers. (+100)

[EHM-0948 Bruno]

Yeah sure ....

You only show us the "good" flights ...


Regards,

[EHM-0654 Murray]

Only because I was so proud of that one Bruno; not my first "Perfect", but the one I worked hardest to get...

I can post one of my less good flights if you want

[EHM-1328 Willem]

Here a bad one.

Flight zmw3139 flight report log Date November 20 2005

Flight ID: zmw3139
Pilot: wdgraaf
Company: zomaarwat
Aircraft: Cessna Skylane 182S Paint2
Flight Date: November 20 2005
Departure: 10h33 (09h34 GMT)
Arrival: 10h44 (09h44 GMT)
From: ESSA - Arlanda - Sweden
To: ESSA - Arlanda - Sweden
Nbr of Passengers: 2

Report:

Flight Distance: 0 Nm Landing Speed: 69.95 kt
Time Airborne: 00h07:37 Landing Touchdown: -758.46 ft/m
Flight Time (block): 00h10:33 Landing Pitch: -1.45°
Time On Ground: 00h04:13 Landing Weight: 1307 kg
Average Speed: 1.38 kt Total Fuel Used: 5 kg
Max. Altitude: 2270ft Fuel Not Used: 209 kg

Passenger Opinion: It is a horrible flight (27%)
-Are dissapointed because the flight was too short.
-Were irritated by the excess G-forces. (+2.32).
-Didn't like that some passengers started flying around the cabin caused by your negative G flying.
-Didn't like that you forgot the belt sign during take-off and landing.
-Wonder if they landed or if they crashed (hard landing).

Financial Report:

Ticket Income: +0€ (0 Nm)
Cargo Income: +0€ (137 kg)
Services Income: +0€ (0 sandwich 0 hot food 0 drink)
Services Cost: -0€ (20% quality)
Fuel Cost: -5€ (5 kg 100LL)
Airport Taxes: -3€ (Small Aircraft)
Insurance Costs: -0€ (4.32% rate)
Total Real Income: -8€
Total Income: -447€ (real x50)
Fleet Bonus: 0€ (0 aircraft)
Total Sim Income: -447€ (total income+fleet bonus)

Company Reputation:

Considering that the flight was very bad,the tickets price low,and there was no service aboard,passengers on this flight think that your company's reputation should be 27%
Your company reputation is now: 61% (-3.45 decrease)

Overall Flight Result: Horrible

Pilot Bonus points: 30 points
You landed at the scheduled airport. (+30)

Pilot's Penalty points: -1480 points
Your arrived too early at your destination airport.(13h49:27 difference) (-100)
Performing dangerous manoeuvres in flight while the passengers don't have their seat belts fastened is criminal. (-400)
You made a very hard landing at -758 ft/mn and the tires sustained damage. (-400)
It is considered bad practice to leave the landing lights turned on when the aircraft is on the parking ramp. (-30)
You had the wrong altimeter setting upon departure. This can cause an accident. (-100)
Forgetting to set the cabin seatbelt sign to ON during landing or takeoff is a fault. (-150)
Smoking during flight is forbidden(-300)

I even get a bonus thats one thing PP is missing. (maybe next version?), even i give my employees sometimes a bonus if they do a good job.

More on My Virtual flights


Regards Willem, EHM1328

[EHM-0948 Bruno]

haha ..

I was kidding guys ..

Keep up the good flights!

[EHM-1703 Philip]

There Willem, That's your bonus. A few encouraging words from the CEO! Keep it up and he might let you keep a Drinks Napkin from one of your flights!

:]