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EHM-0250 Magnus

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« on: February 24, 2007, 04:54:46 pm »
Does anyone else have problems regarding the performance of the EuroBusiness Falcon 50? I could just reach FL260 with full throttle, and at that altitude, I "cruise" at 280 knots, with full power. The specs says the service ceiling is FL450. No way this aircraft can reach that altitude.

I have checked everything like flaps, landing gear and so, but I can't come to any other conclusion that it's the flight model that isn't good.

EHM-1343 Jonathan

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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2007, 06:36:46 pm »
We all have problems Magnus hehehe..
I beleive the Flight Dynamics are FS2002 dynamics, and dont function well here...

EHM-2029 Sotiris

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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2007, 09:23:04 pm »
Hi there,

I also had several probs with the falcon.
One idea, could be to reduce your climb rate way down to something like 400-500 fpm.
This did it for me and could reach my usual FL330-350.

Never tried to take it all the way to FL450 though.

EHM-0250 Magnus

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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2007, 09:23:45 am »
Well, if it's FS2002 dynamics, it shouldn't say it's FS2004 compatible.

I've looked for FS2004 dynamics but can't find any. The aircraft looks great but if you can't enjoy it in FS2004, which is pretty old by now, maybe it's time to replace it with something else.

Another thing: to replace the 747 panel that comes with the EuroCargo BAe 146, get Matthias Lieberecht's excellent panel: http://files.fsnordic.net/?download=1655

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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2007, 10:25:04 am »
I've had problems with the airspeed indicator. That plane is quite a problem

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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2007, 07:42:05 am »
Hello guys,

unfortunately the Falcon have some issue with FS2004. I am sad, because the plane got my attention after the creators released an FS2004 patch for it, and the plane should fly superbly.

The next Division under reconstruction is EuroBusiness. The planes are almost painted, and the main thing remained are the dynamics. At the moment I do not know about the future of the Falcon. I would really love to see a Citation-X or such other non-problematic jet here, but browsing through the sites, that bird still seems to be the best choice. If it remains, I will remake the dynamics to be compatible with FS2004. Please be patient. ;)

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EHM-0250 Magnus

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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2007, 04:25:46 pm »
Ok Robert, we'll be patient. :)

The aircraft is great in every other way, so it's really a shame that the dynamics don't fit FS2004 well. Hope you can make it work.

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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2007, 07:14:58 pm »
Of course, it is only a matter of time ;)

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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2007, 03:57:36 pm »
Hi all

I really like that bird and hope to see it in future.

But one problem is left for me:

I cannot find the switch for the beacon lights... :$

can anyone help me


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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2007, 08:46:24 pm »
I really like the Falcon 50 as it's such a good model with a beautifully made VC so I just took it for a spin to check out the dynamics (instrument zoom panel for clarity)...

[img=800x600]http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8629/falcon50fl4502rq4.jpg[/img]

I took her straight up to FL450 following the guidance given in the readme of the 2nd patch for FS2002 and she achieved her cruising level at Mach 0.80 with no problems.

My FS2004 is set to full realism and the only thing I changed from the default was the aircraft weight as she started off overweight when loaded. I reduced fuel to 50% since the readme mentions realism with regard to high weight performance.

Clearly she won't reach FL450 at max weight so a step climb would be required if you're flying a full weight sector.

I don't know if the version on the website includes the FS2002 patch number 2 as this has an improved air file and aircraft.cfg? That's the version I've got so it does work in FS2004...

The second patch (if it isn't included) is available at http://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=14395

and the flight guidance in the Readme is quite useful (this is an extract only):

TIPS ON TAKE-OFF, CLIMB AND LANDING

Though powerful in the right circumstances, the Falcon 50 is an older jet and does not have excessive power especially when fully loaded with passengers and fuel. If you are taking off fully loaded, acceleration will be quite slow and you will need a reasonably long runway (Meigs is far too short when fully loaded). Make sure to trim up slightly (with the pointer level with the bottom part of the small white marker on the trim gauge). At 116 knots rotate smoothly back and if trim is correct the Falcon will take off very elegantly. Clean up the gear and flap as soon as possible and climb at NO MORE than 1500 fpm until you have cleaned the slats and accelerated to well over 200 knots. Now you can set the maximum possible climb rate of 3400 fpm (after further acceleration to 230 knots plus). Do not let the thrust exceed 97-98%. You will need to gradually reduce your climb rate as you pass 8000 feet. At 10,000 feet you can increase thrust to a constant 98% N1 then at 20,000 feet increase again to 99% maximum.

The last stage of climb, from 30,000 feet up to the cruise of 35,000 feet will need no more than around 1000 fpm and you must keep the speed here to at least 260 knots or mach 0.72 to 0.74. At FL350 accelerate (slowly) to Mach 0.80 cruise and set no more than 98% N1 to maintain this speed.

On Landing, the Falcon Gear and Flaps have a lot of drag and the aircraft will react slowly to thrust changes and control inputs with a high weight. With full flaps and gear down you will need as much as 75-76% power to maintain glideslope.

Please note, we designed the Falcon to feel heavy with high loading. With a light fuel load and high speed (300 knots plus) the Falcon becomes much more lively and at this weight and speed you can actually achieve (with a little trim) a rapid climb whilst pulling up to 5 G. Similarly the previous sedate roll authority will increase with less fuel in the wings and less weight.


So I think she's still got a bit of life in her yet ;)

Oh, and Manu, the beacon light is on the overhead panel marked 'AntiCol' - it controls both beacon and strobes :P
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