Paris Airshow 2007

[EHM-1703 Philip]

Day 1 - Airframes Sold

Boeing:
6 x 777F - GECAS
40 x 739ER - Lion Air (previously an Unidentified order)

Total Announced - 46
Net Boeing - 6 (less those already booked)

Airbus:
3 x A320, 80 x A350, 3 x A380 - Qatar Airways
60 x A320, 10 x A332, 22 x A350* - US Airways
8 x A380 - Emirates Air
30 x A320 - Jazeera Airways
2 x A320 - Nouvelair
60 x A320 - GECAS
12 x A350**, 7 X A320 - ALAFCO
25 x A320 - S7 Airways
2 x A380, 18 x A320 - Air France

* 20 A350 already booked on Airbus' Order spreadsheet
** 12 A350 already booked on Airbus' Order spreadsheet
Total Airbus - 342
Net Airbus - 310
Breakdown - A320 = 205, A330 = 10, A350 = 114, A380 = 13

HMMMM! I bet it was a good day to be in Toulouse today! I hope Airbus have not done all their business on the first day!

Rumours are rife that American Airlines may have a big 787 order to announce yet!

Will keep you posted

[EHM-1001 Robert]

80 A350 at once I think I must train myself as a RW pilot

[EHM-1689 Lukasz]

Originally posted by EHM-1001 Robert
80 A350 at once I think I must train myself as a RW pilot

Yes, but it's only order's confirmation. Qatar Airways ordered 80 A350 on 30 May 2007 - on that day the agreement was signed.

[EHM-1821 Javier]

yay!!! Airbus owns!!! ;D;D

[EHM-1703 Philip]

Lukasz,

That is an interesting point, I was reading a lot about this yesterday and was quite surprised to find out that both manufacturers report orders in completely different ways.

The Qatar order was not put on to Airbuses books until yesterday. In May, a Memorandum of Understanding was signed but the order was not "Firmed up"  and the final contracts signed until yesterday which was when it becomes official and a legally binding contract between both companies.

Boeing work slightly differently, when they receive a MOU from a customer, the order goes on their books which is why the Lion Air contract above was not a "New Order". The prior airbus orders above that were already on their books were signed off previously but the contracts had to be renegotiated as the specifics of the plane had changed.

Still, it was a pretty blinding day for Airbus, they over doubled their order book for the year in one day! Although  I am sure Boeing will have a few tricks up their sleeve.... Probably leaving the big announcements till later in the week. The US Airways announcement was the big shock though, it would seem most people in the industry expecting at least some of that to go to Boeing!

The thing that really surprises me is that the A32X series is still so popular with Airlines. The A320 has essentially not been changed for almost 20 years!!!!

[EHM-1841 Janos]

The thing that really surprises me is that the A32X series is still so popular with Airlines. The A320 has essentially not been changed for almost 20 years!!!!

You don't have to change something that is so much state of the art :]

Okay, don't listen, for me Airbuses are above all

Janos

[EHM-1749 Hector]

In your opinion gentlemen, which is the best Airbus either payware of freeware for FS9?
Hector

[EHM-1689 Lukasz]

Well, IMHO:

pw - Airbus A300-600R/A310 from CLS - there is nothing to dislike - almost perfect!

fw - Airbus family from IFDG


But generally speaking I prefer my beloved MD-11!

[EHM-1703 Philip]

Hector,

Wilco/Feelthere Airbus series 1 is okay, a few bugs but about the best. If you are not in a rush, hold on to your money and wait to see what the AirlinerXP airbus is like.

[EHM-1343 Jonathan]

Has anyone tried the Overland Series of Airbus Jets??...they look quite nice

[EHM-1703 Philip]

I hear the models are ok but the Flight Dynamics and the panels are very average!

[EHM-1343 Jonathan]

from the screenshots, the panels do look fairly poor tbh, and thats the main reason I would buy a Payware Airbus, I'm more than content with the IFDG models...

[EHM-1633 José]

CLS A340-500&600

Also IFDG's ones

Regards

[EHM-1982 Carlos]

Overland => Nice models and simple panels (like the FS default ones)

[EHM-1703 Philip]

OK, todays news from the show is still a little confusing as I can't work out what were new and what were already ordered and on the books, but here is the news that I have seen so far:

Boeing
60 x 788, 10 x 73X, 1 x 773ER - ILFC
4 x 773ER - TAM

Airbus
20 x A332F - Intrepid Aviation
15 x A333X - Air Asia X
5 x A321 - Aeroflot
8 x A333 - Thai

Related and other news:
    * Intrepid Aviation Group has selected 17 aircraft with Trent 700 and 3 with P&W from order announced earlier for 20 xA330-200F, they are also expressing an interest in an A330-300F.
    * Avianca has selected the CFM56 for it's Airbus narrobodies, and the Trent 700 for it's A330s
    * Aeroflot has selected the Trent 700 for it's A330-200s
    * AERCAP has selected the Trent 700 for it's A330-200s

[EHM-2110 Matt]

Very Good news for old Rolls Royce...  Plus take a look at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6768237.stm

Now thats what i call a private jet!

[EHM-1703 Philip]

OK, Wednesdays trading at Paris!

Boeing
9 x 777-300ER - Air France
7 x 737-700 - KLM

Airbus
5 x A330-200 4 x A340-600 & 3 x A330-200F - Etihad
15 x A330-200F - Aircastle LTD
25 x A320 - CIT
5 x A320 - Ural

Other news and orders
* Libyan Airlines have signed an MoU for 7 A320, 4 A330-200 and 4 A350XWB
* CIT have confirmed their 7 A350s
* Kingfisher have signed an MoU for 20 Airbus A320, 10 A330-200, 5 A340-500 and 15 Airbus A350 XWB.
* RR Trent 1000 (787 & A350XWB engine) starts flight testing in Texas on a 747-200

Another great day for Airbus! (lets face it, they need it!)

[EHM-1821 Javier]

yay! Airbus still owns!!! ;D;D

im suprised that there are no orders for 747-8 at the show so far good news for the A380 :]

[EHM-1689 Lukasz]

im suprised that there are no orders for 747-8 at the show so far good news for the A380 :]

Yes, indeed - good news for the A380 - the most controversial Airbus project. They have only problems with A380 so far - maybe Paris Air Show is the first "fresh air breath" for the A380.

PS: For me A380 is totally...shapeless. Some planes are pretty, some planes are ugly, but A380 is shapeless. A big flying frog...:s

[EHM-1703 Philip]

LOL well the flying frog has got 14 new orders this week!!!

Here are the scores after day 4:

Boeing:

6 x 777F - GECAS
40 x 739ER - Lion Air (previously an Unidentified order)
52 x 787 - ILFC (2 previously an Unidentified order)
10 x 737 - ILFC
1 x 777-300ER - ILFC (previously an Unidentified order)
4 x 777-300ER - TAM
9 x 777-300ER - Air France (previously an Unidentified order)
7 x 737-700 - KLM (previously an Unidentified order)

Total Announced - 129
Net Boeing - 70 (less those already booked)

Breakdown - 737 = 57, 777 = 20, 787 = 52

Airbus:

80 x A350, 3 x A380 - Qatar Airways
60 x A320, 10 x A332, 22 x A350* - US Airways
8 x A380 - Emirates Air
30 x A320 - Jazeera Airways
2 x A320 - Nouvelair
60 x A320 - GECAS
12 x A350**, 7 X A320 - ALAFCO
25 x A320 - S7 Airways
2 x A380, 18 x A320 - Air France
5 x A321 - Aeroflot
20 x A332F - Intrepid
15 X A333 - Air Asia
8 x A333 - Thai
1 x A388 - Private Customer
5 x A332, 4 x A346, 3 x A332F - Ethiad
15 x A332F - AirCastle
7 x A350***, 25 x A320 - CIT
5 x A320 - Ural Airlines
22 x A350 - Aeroflot
5 x A320, 6 x A350 - Afriqiyah
20 x A320, 20 x A350****, 5 x A345, 10 x A332 - Kingfisher
7 x A320, 4 x A330, 4 x A350 - Libyan Airlines
2 x A332F - MNG
14 x A320, 5 x A330 - Avianca
30 x A320, 20 x A330, 1 x ACJ - Hong Kong Airlines
25 x A320 - Mandala Airlines

* 20 A350 already booked on Airbus' Order spreadsheet
** 12 A350 already booked on Airbus' Order spreadsheet
*** 5 A350 already booked on Airbus' Order spreadsheet
**** 5 A350 already booked on Airbus' Order spreadsheet
Total Airbus - 652
Net Airbus - 619
Breakdown - A320 = 339, A330 = 117, A340 = 9, A350 = 173, A380 = 14

[EHM-1821 Javier]

i'm suprised that Boeing only sold 129 planes compared to Airbus' 652, thats like 20%  the number of what Airbus sold! I wonder who is the customer of the private A380:o

[EHM-1671 Ben]

What a private jet! Blows my 757 out of the sky

[EHM-0654 Murray]

Can I just point out to all the "doubting Thomas's" that of course Airbus was going to have lots of orders in their own house... Boeing don't have a "killer app" to be going to France and rubbing in 'buses face.

If it had been an event of similar magnitude in Seattle, I'd fully expect Boeing to show a similar "we're better" ratio in their favour.

737 RULES!!! WOO!!!

[EHM-1651 Christian]

If airlines keep on ordering Aircraft at this rate the requirment for an JAR CPL-ME/IR would be 500h of documented flying in FS:>

[EHM-1703 Philip]

And the Final Score!!!!


Boeing:

6 x 777F - GECAS
40 x 739ER - Lion Air (previously an Unidentified order)
52 x 787 - ILFC (2 previously an Unidentified order)
10 x 737 - ILFC
1 x 777-300ER - ILFC (previously an Unidentified order)
4 x 777-300ER - TAM
9 x 777-300ER - Air France (previously an Unidentified order)
7 x 737-700 - KLM (previously an Unidentified order)
10 x 737 - Virgin Blue

Total Announced - 139
Net Boeing - 80 (less those already booked)

Breakdown - 737 = 67, 777 = 20, 787 = 52

Airbus:

80 x A350, 3 x A380 - Qatar Airways
60 x A320, 10 x A332, 22 x A350* - US Airways
8 x A380 - Emirates Air
30 x A320 - Jazeera Airways
2 x A320 - Nouvelair
60 x A320 - GECAS
12 x A350**, 7 X A320 - ALAFCO
25 x A320 - S7 Airways
2 x A380, 18 x A320 - Air France
5 x A321 - Aeroflot
20 x A332F - Intrepid
15 X A333 - Air Asia
8 x A333 - Thai
1 x A388 - Private Customer
5 x A332, 4 x A346, 3 x A332F - Ethiad
15 x A332F - AirCastle
7 x A350***, 25 x A320 - CIT
5 x A320 - Ural Airlines
22 x A350 - Aeroflot
5 x A320, 6 x A350 - Afriqiyah
20 x A320, 20 x A350****, 5 x A345, 10 x A332 - Kingfisher
7 x A320, 4 x A330, 4 x A350 - Libyan Airlines
2 x A332F - MNG
6 x A332F - Flyington Freighters
14 x A320, 5 x A330 - Avianca
30 x A320, 20 x A330, 1 x ACJ - Hong Kong Airlines
25 x A320 - Mandala Airlines
1 x ACJ - BAA Jet Management
20 x A350 - Singapore Airlines
20 x A320 - National air Services (Saudi Arabia)

* 20 A350 already booked on Airbus' Order spreadsheet
** 12 A350 already booked on Airbus' Order spreadsheet
*** 5 A350 already booked on Airbus' Order spreadsheet
**** 5 A350 already booked on Airbus' Order spreadsheet
Total Airbus - 729
Net Airbus - 687
Breakdown - A320 = 390, A330 = 123, A340 = 9, A350 = 193, A380 = 14


Although this is a pretty resounding success for Airbus, it must be said that a lot of those orders above are merely MOU's (or LOI's in Boeing speak!) which means the deal can be changed. This said they have picked up well over 400 firm orders. Boeing never fairs well at any airshow, they tend to announce deals as they happen rather than flying the airline chiefs in to airshows on an all expenses paid jolley to Airbus land. Doesn't matter whether your Airbus or Boeing, you have to tip your hat to Airbus and it's good for the industry as well! Robert, has Mr. Leahy contacted you about A350XWB's yet?