Flight hours

[Anonymous]

I Agree

[EHM-0641 Rico]

sorry bout last post ... got logged out for some reason ..



I agree with Plymyphil

[EHM-0962 Zhen Yi]

my guess is there you could probably choose whether you want to do it offline or online (as in your progress is posted on the map)

[EHM-0361 Karsten]

Hi guys

I think some of you may have misunderstood what I meant, in may repose to plymyphil’s proposal. I only responded to the idea of making the flight logger mandatory as a way to minimize the possibility of cheating. My only point was, the best way to archive that would be if the flight logger was connected to the Internet during the flight. That would minimize the possibility of cheating. Because the only two things your pc will be doing in this process, is running the flight sim and the flight logger program. Everything else will be done in a environment you want be able to change.
But I think just like the rest of you, that the flight logger will be able to work “off-line”, just like the one Magnus Larson made. Otherwise I see any reason to combine it with the off-line timetable. I hope that I have made it more clear what I meant in the last part of my previous posting on this subject.

Regards

[EHM-0744 Alex]

Hi,

I think the flight logger should not be mandatory, what about an EHAM-NZAA flight for example? When I have long flights I do how much as I can and then save, and then continue. For long flights it may take me X number of saves, and therefore I use the FS clock, and I know I shouldnt but evrey rule has a because. Why should you not use the FS time to log hours? B/C if you speed it up it will give you more hours. I never use the more speed thing in FS, neither do I try to cheat, because think about it, why would anyone put more hours??? We are in a hobby, we dont gt payed, we dont have any merits for more hours (especially once you are an ATP).

I think the flight logger would take away only probably one of the things that carachterizes EHM. Remember the discussion before the site went down about exams??? This takes away freedom, this is a virtual airline!

Anyway... just my two cents.

Cheers!

Alex;)

(Ive already done my first 4 flights!!! IT was quite strange to get back into the Beech 1900D:D)

[EHM-1001 Robert]

Well, I neither think the flight logger should be a mandatory. I am in the same opinion with Alex on that. Sometimes, on long flights I like the saving option, and the freedom to report my flight hours like I did the flight in one piece.

I changed from reporting FS times to PC times. The main reason was the Manual said it. The other reason was the FS watch was slower (!!!) than PC watch. If I had to do a break I always put down how much minutes should I subtract from total time. I have many add-ons installed and many not...I think I can do the same processes by myself, like the flight logger.

The last thing is about the 15 minutes rule... which I do not understand why is that hard to keep? I usually sit down in front of the sim 15-25 minutes before startup. I have to collect info from the flight, design the flightplan, prepare the game and the navigation... and it takes about half hour sometimes. One of the reasons of PC time flight logging is that the management knows what times we sit in front of our PC. I do not care about lose this half hour preparation time at most PIREPs, and do not understand how is it possible to do within only 5 minutes before a hard class 5-7 flight.

[EHM-0744 Alex]

Another issue for the "freezing police" . Take a look at EHM-1377 (Ricardo Fernandes). Just looking at the flights gives you a handful. :s

[EHM-0813 Guillermo]

Originally posted by EHM-0641
I have alot of free time, so I can make like 6 to 8 flights a day .!! I know , seems like alot to you guys....

omigosh, I don't even have the strength to make two flight in one day

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by Alex
Another issue for the "freezing police" . Take a look at EHM-1377 (Ricardo Fernandes). Just looking at the flights gives you a handful. :s

This kinda people make a good VA look bad   ...

http://www.euroharmony.com/site/manu/pilotstats3.php?who=1377&order=flights&page=3

[Anonymous]

it looks its normal at eurharmony to cheat
with flight hours.
but no surprise most are flying offline.

Join EuroHarmony .;D

[EHM-1370 Alexander]

I want to say something about pilot:(EHM-1377   Ricardo Fernandes ATP LPPT 148:26 Active) He has flown 148 hours in 3 days but there are only 72 hours in three days. So i want to say to one of the administrators please investigate this case.

Greets Alexander Vervoort;)

[EHM-0962 Zhen Yi]

hmm......guess he's cheating then.........probably not discovered as they's usually a time lag before the PIREPs are validated as the management have a real life too! so please do not judge EuroHarmony on this! If you read our website thoroughly enough i'm sure you'll come across a section that says even though we use an automated system, all PIREPs are checked by our hub captains

[EHM-0962 Zhen Yi]

The problem with EHM-1377 has been discovered quite some while ago but till this day this account has not been frozen. Could the management please look into this?

[EHM-0744 Alex]

You probably have to send an email to see if it is a technical problem.

Hey Lim, have you flown any flights yet?


Cheers,

Alex;)

[EHM-0962 Zhen Yi]

Eh yeah that's true but even if its a technical problem it has to be corrected....plus i assume the management do read this forum right?

No i've not flown any flights yet...been quite busy with a huge school project that i've been managing....its a fund raising project for the school so i've been staying off the ground for quite some while.......hope to be able to free up sometime when the flight logger comes into use to make a flight!

And by the way people please call me Zhen Yi....it sounds weird to be called by my surname....it's like calling maarten 'Pols' if you get what i mean

[EHM-0744 Alex]

Woops, sorry, since Lim was in front I thought that was your first name. :$

Another example of the different cultures in EHM, great to see diversity dont you think?

Cheers!

Alex;)

[EHM-1152 Thomas]

Originally posted by Willem de Graaf
All the pireps off Rico are wrong, they are all missing the Fuel burnt field.

In some ways it is better to include the fuel burnt but a PIREP which doesn't have it isn't actually wrong.  It is optional whether or not you fill it in.

Originally posted by Willem de Graaf
In real life you dont stop a flight and fly a later time to finish the flight, remember a virtual airline is a mirror of real life, if you cant make long flights then don’t make these flights!.

You must remember that although yes it is like a mirror of a real airline, it is also meant to be fun and enjoyable.  So I don't see that saving is a problem.

Originally posted by Willem de Graaf
If euroharmony management isnt active and doing nothing , then there is something very wrong.

I can't believe you say this.  Euroharmony has one of the best managements if not the best management of all virtual airlines.  They dedicate so much time and are always around.  The fact of how they brought back Euroharmony after 'the big crash' is evidence of this.

[EHM-1199 Philip]

I'm really torn between Willen and Tom here. We do have a very visible and worthwhile management that are actively promoting and improving the airline. After the departure of Gergely I had concerns that this might change but Maarten, Manu and others have proved this not to be the case - they work hard to make the sim experience better.

Euroharmony does actively promote further enjoyment to flying simulators than flying alone. The tours and the awards system encourage this as does this great forum. You get a feeling of belonging and a structure to your flying that does improve the experience.

However, that said, I am with Willem on not saving longer flights. I didn't think this was permissable. For a start you have to submit system times so if you have saved and continued a flight you have to lie to submit one system time. Also, with such a huge timetable and great series of tours there must be a flight to suit the time you have available. I'm all for a more rigorous check on people actually flying. We all know you can take off, click autopilot and then clear off until ten minutes before landing but why .... ?
If you fly for EHM you agree to check your flight every fifteen minutes and I see no purpose to flying a huge long flight in segments or whilst not engaged in the flying experience.

Me, I try more and more to use appropriate charts for the flight and make the whole flight a busy and fun experience. If anybody cares to explain the pleasure of autopilot in a jet for long periods of time - especially over ocean - then I'm ready to listen and even be persuaded. Until then, most of my flights will be short and over great scenery.
Sure, I'll make the occasional overnighter but only when I can sit there and enjoy the flight.

Just an opinion - feel free to shout me down.

[EHM-0962 Zhen Yi]

First of all, i would like to say that yes putting in the amout of fuel burnt is optional, so that doesn't make his PIREPs faulted.

Secondly, does the automated system already block PIREPs from being filed if it exceeds the daily limit?

Thirdly, i believe that flying flights in segments are allowed, provided that it is stated in the comments. Please correct me if i am wrong. Also i remember that the management were even trying to make a flight logger that would allow for the saving and continuing of flights! (or maybe the current logger can already do that.........)

And last of all, the EuroHarmony management is very active, look at all what they've done for us! Instructions to correct the dynamics of the fokker planes, replies to enquiries in the forum, how can you say that they are inactive?

[EHM-1152 Thomas]

Don't get me wrong Plymyphil.  Although I said I wasn't against saving, I never save flights.  I totally agree with you about just leaving planes on autopilot and coming back to land them.  I always stay with my plane and always fly the full flight.
However I am also aware that there are pilots who don't have as much time as I do and therefore cannot fly long flights in one go.  I just felt that they should also be accomadated for - thats all

[EHM-0588 Paul]

EHM-1371, 1377, its clear that these hours are wrong some members ask questions but why happens nothing by management??

The management is aware of this, be patience.

In real life you dont stop a flight and fly a later time to finish the flight, remember a virtual airline is a mirror of real life, if you cant make long flights then don’t make these flights!.

In real life you get paid for flying for an airline. I have a fulltime job, so I have to split up long flight in 2 or 3 parts. Some of the tours and missions have long flights. I want a change at completing them too.

For a start you have to submit system times so if you have saved and continued a flight you have to lie to submit one system time.

True, but I write the system time down when I save and load and than calculate the system time that I would have at shuttdown as if it was one flight. You might consider this lying, but as long as the 15 min rule has been applied (and I check every 2-3 min), that time has been spent for EuroHarmony.

[EHM-0641 Rico]

Originally posted by Plymyphil
We all know you can take off, click autopilot and then clear off until ten minutes before landing but why .... ?
If you fly for EHM you agree to check your flight every fifteen minutes.......

All true... but even then if you have ATC on, and ur flying IFR, you can never know when they contact you, and is you don't answer, they cancel ur flight plan

[EHM-0962 Zhen Yi]

ah well.......but there's a way around this isn't there? just don't contact departure after you take off! but i'm not sure if this works with fs2004.......can someone please verify?

[EHM-0654 Murray]

Originally posted by EHM-0962
ah well.......but there's a way around this isn't there? just don't contact departure after you take off! but i'm not sure if this works with fs2004.......can someone please verify?

Yup, as m'colleague correctly says, you can choose not to contact DEP after handoff from TWR (just like real life in that respect, as long as you've filed VFR).

You lose out on radar flight following and the traffic reports that go along with it, but in the simulated world that isn't a big problem.

[Anonymous]

This is my last time but

Again Rico-Allee EHM0641,    Vatsim:830751.

Submit:  0n 8-04-2004
7174   7:48 hours
7175   7:38 hours
7184 10:53 hours
7185 11:06 hours  total of  37:05 hours sofar nothing wrong,  

All these Pireps online at VATSIM ??    NO,
He only makes 8 min. and 44 sec online as a ATC.!, that’s one of the things
Everbody can check on vatsim.
You can see the total flight from A to B including the time. And if you don’t finish
your flight, it wil not be logged, (time will always be accumulated to total online time).

He pireps these hours to get the online award  ??, but this is cheating!
Remember if somebody thinks he can cheat he wil always be ON-GUARD.!

Rico complaint on the forum about he can’t get the online award.
Joe and Maarten explaind why this is, so why cheating?!

I suppose the reason we say only VATSIM or iVAO is because we want to encourage people to use those networks. If there are loads of pilots using the networks it looks good for euroharmony because it advertises to other pilots that we are a busy and dedicated VA.

We know for sure that the quality of online flight simulation is in good hands at VATSIM and IVAO. When you fly at zone.com, you are more free because you can make your own rules. So, to encourage people to fly on VATSIM/IVAO, we made this rule regarding the Online Award.

Happy flying,   Willem.