Flight hours

[EHM-1199 Philip]

Rico Allee - an all star flyer has PIREPed over 75 hours of flights in one week. Rico this is amazing. It is almost incredible. I do recall a rule about not leaving the computer for a period of more than fifteen minutes if flying on autopilot. If this rule is adhered to then Rico, you have spent brain frazzling hours staring at your monitor flying planes. If it is not adhered to, things get silly as when we reach SCC level and have long flights available, we could set a flight going in the morning, clear off to work and then land in the evening and get credited for all those hours flying.
Without doubting Rico, who I'm sure is an honest and dedicated pilot, when the flight logger is introduced I for one would be up for making it compulsory for high percentage of flights. Whilst not totally secure it would go someway to reducing the capacity for 'absent' flying which no doubt scares the passengers witless.

[EHM-1123 Dejan]

Hi Phil, as much as I disapprove or hate 'cheating' in any kind of way, I think that is something to be left to Rico's, or any other pilot's Hub Manager.
No offense, but, are you browsing rosters and chasing suspicious reports...?
You must have a lot of spare time...

[EHM-1343 Jonathan]

I would like to say congrats to Rico, I have full beleif he obeys the rules of EHM and big up to him
P.S he's done twice my hours

[EHM-1199 Philip]

Originally posted by Dejan Ivanovic
Hi Phil, as much as I disapprove or hate 'cheating' in any kind of way, I think that is something to be left to Rico's, or any other pilot's Hub Manager.
No offense, but, are you browsing rosters and chasing suspicious reports...?
You must have a lot of spare time...

I have no interest in whether or not Rico is following the rules to the letter or not other than the excessive flight hours does open up the question of how strict we are with the rules. I would like to see the flight logger being compulsory.

As for browsing the rosters ... I loose hours in our website browsing. If I don't have enough time for a flight but do have a few minutes I check the forums and browse the website. But hey ... watch out Dejan 'cos if there was foul play ... I'd notice;)

[EHM-0641 Rico]

Hey guys wassup  !!

Hehehe.. I knew that sooner or later this would come up.

All I can say is, I love EuroHarmony....
It was the second VA I've ever joined, and I never had any reason to even think of changing from VA...!!!

Anyways, concerning my flighthours...
I was shocked like everyone else when EH went down. And like most of you I guess, I was checking everyday when it would come back.

I have alot of free time, so I can make like 6 to 8 flights a day .!! I know , seems like alot to you guys....

Only thing I'm trying now, is to make up for my old flight hours. The one I had before EH went down, like 500 something.

The only time I use autopilot, is when climbing to cruising altitude, or when I lift my lazy ass up to get some refresments

Don't get me wrong, I would probaly have reacted the same way like you guys did.
So that's why I felt obliged to offer an explanation.

I understand that it might be  little discourageing for other pilots, to see how some people have a lot of free time like me and can spend hours behind their pc and log flights...while they log a merely 10 hours in a week....

So I think it'd be a good idea for me to stop flying for a while, to offer my fellow pilots some time to 'catch up' to me.

I'd like some feedback on that....

I wish you all as much fun and joy flying as I'm certainly having when I am :]

[Anonymous]

So I think it'd be a good idea for me to stop flying for a while, to offer my fellow pilots some time to 'catch up' to me.

You don't have to stop flying for me, having fun flying is what it's all about. I also have flown a lot of hours this week
1- because I don't have a job right now
2- I don't really like flying props, so I wanted to get to the jets quite soon :-)

I won't be able to keep this rate of flights forever

[EHM-1199 Philip]

Hi Rico ...

Please ... don't stop flying on my account. I do as much flying as real life allows me and you do the same.

I would be interested to hear your opinions on whether or not the flight logger should be compulsory or not. Personally I think that as we are allowed to use time compression if needed to make longer flights in the time we have for flying that maybe a compulsory flight logger would iron out a few of the possibilities for abuse.

Congratulations on what must have been a great week of flying though.:8

[EHM-0188 Andy]

Sorry, for that last post, I got logged out for some reason .

[EHM-0641 Rico]

Originally posted by Willem de Graaf
Rico made 4  wrong flights: total of 9 hrs.

4216 with  airbus 320-200
4219 with  airbus 320-200
4220 with 737-800
4223 with 737-800

Read the  Operations manual !!!

Why would they be wrong..  btw. I know the operations manual by head f.y.i

[EHM-1034 Kris]

I don't see any problems either.

[EHM-0188 Andy]

If those are true, he used Class 5 aircraft on class 4 flights, which is ok according to the manual. Jets can be flown on all jetflights except Class 7

[EHM-0962 Zhen Yi]

Ok it says here in the manual

Select a EuroHarmony (or Division) plane that is compatible with your rank. It’s recommended to fly a flight with the same class plane (e.g. a Class 3 flight with a Class 3 plane). However it is allowed to:
- fly a Class 1-3 flight with any Class 1-3 plane of the same division (e.g. a Class 2 flight with a Class 3 plane)
- fly a Class 4-6 flight with any Class 4-6 plane of the same division (e.g. a Class 6 flight with a Class 4 plane)

So the question to be asked is whether he flew those planes when he was only an FC, which he probably did not.......

Oh alright i didn't realise there was that 15 minutes rule.......i'll be sure to abide by it from now on! and oh it meant the fifteen minutes interval must not be exceeded and not that you cannot leave the plane alone for more than fifteen minutes in overall

[EHM-0962 Zhen Yi]

Oh i've just spotted a definite cheater......504 hours on the day he appeared? his number of 1371 means that he's definitely new around here. besides if you check the roster, he's the newest pilot to go active.........

[EHM-0188 Andy]

He must have transferred hours from another VA.
Something I never do.

[EHM-0962 Zhen Yi]

It says so in the manual (i'm refering to the manual so often now )

Q: Will my previous flight hours at other virtual airlines be added to the roster?

A: We decided to NOT add previous flight hours because of two reasons: we have a larger and more diversified fleet than most of the other Vas and there aren’t much flight hours required to advance in rank (e.g. 4 hours for TC, 10 hours for STC, 20 hours for FC…)

And so he must have gotten his hours though the abusing of the automated PIREP system

[EHM-0188 Andy]

If he didn't fly all those hours and he didn't transfer them from another VA it must be April Fools Day.


Wouldn't it be nice to have the same rules as for real pilots as for the number of hours they have to rest between flights, etc...

[EHM-1199 Philip]

A maximum number of flight hours would be good but it would need to be average in simulation or long haul flights would be impossible as we can't switch between pilots. If you set a maximum of so many flights per day and then a further maximum of no greater than so many hours in the week then it would work. Mind, I guess it then takes away the joy of simulated flying which is that you can bypass some of life's barriers to flying. Gone is the expense, the need to travel to the airport, the need to fly all the time from your local airport and the need to follow airline imposed rules. Yep, stick without a maximum number of hours.

[EHM-0641 Rico]

Originally posted by EHM-0962
Oh i've just spotted a definite cheater......504 hours on the day he appeared? his number of 1371 means that he's definitely new around here. besides if you check the roster, he's the newest pilot to go active.........

Hhahaha...told u guys i'd prolly react the same way :]  

500+ hours seems a bit to  much in one week

[EHM-1199 Philip]

Originally posted by EHM-0641
Hhahaha...told u guys i'd prolly react the same way :]  

500+ hours seems a bit to  much in one week

Hey ... maybe he just had a lot of free time this week.

[EHM-0641 Rico]

hehehe...  

you might be right..

But however simple math shows us that 7 times 24 hours still is 168 hours, if he he's flying 24/7..

To make it even more unbelievable, EH re-opened the 24-03.... today is 02-04  .. is 10 days....

10 times 24 is still 240 hours

Regards

[EHM-1077 Emanuele]

Regarding 1371, his account has
been frozen, probably pending investigation
from the HUB manager.

His flight list also report many duplicate
flights (and I really mean -duplicates-)
which might point to a technical problem.

Ciao ciao!

Manu

[EHM-0005 Maarten]

The chance that the problems with EHM-1371 have a technical cause is very small, however; I leave all options open.

[EHM-0361 Karsten]

Hey guys

I agree with the others, Rico just keep on flying. As long as you are having fun and are getting your flight hours fair and square, then I don’t see anything wrong with it. But I do understand that some may find it discouraging to just see somebody getting to the top in no time. But I don’t believe that should hold you back. But then there will always be someone that will look at the roster and be discouraged. I joined EHM in January 2002, and back then it took a lot more hours (400) to become ATP.  If I remember correctly at that time EHM0018 Thomas Paine had all ready flow over 500 hours when I joined, and as a new pilot that can be discouraging. But I remembered that it was suppose to be fun and not a competition. It took me something like 1½ year to become ATP, and too many that may seem like a long time. But I had a job and I worked a lot at that time. And flying was my way of relaxing. Basically what I’m trying to say is we all do our flying in our on pace. Some like you Rico do it in a rapid pace, because you have a lot of time on your hand. And others, like me do it in a slower pace. But what’s important for us all, remember to have fun!!

About the idea of making a maximum of flight hours, made me think about AirSource where I’m a pilot too. This is from there employee handbook, it may be some thing like this we should think about.

1.1.2.0 Maximum flight limitations
Just like there are set rules of minimum flights in a prescribed period of time, so there must be a
maximum threshold as well. We also take into account that our members may not be able to access
the website every day; Pilots may “pool” PIREPS together to a point. A total hour per day formula is
used to determine if a pilot is above the maximum flight hours per day quota. That threshold is very
similar to a real life limit of 10 flight hours per day. If a pilot has been at AirSource for 4 days and
filed a total of 60 hours, their average flight hours per day would be 15, 5 hours over the limit. Of
course built in protection on the website will prevent a pilot from filing flights until that average is
lowered by allowing more days to pass before filing again. The pilot above would need to wait at
least 2 days before filing another flight. The hour average in your logbook must always maintain 10
or less flight hours per day.

About Plymyphil’s proposal about making the flight logger mandatory, I like the idea. But it seams to me like that would require that when you fly you are connected to the Internet. That wouldn’t be a problem for me. But here may me pilot that haven’t that possibility. Until May 2003, I didn’t have an Internet connection. I reported all of my flight from my Internet connection at work. But basically I’m all for it.

Regards

[EHM-0962 Zhen Yi]

whoops wrong accusation didn't think it could be a technical problem. my apologies

[EHM-1199 Philip]

Originally posted by Merlin
About Plymyphil’s proposal about making the flight logger mandatory, I like the idea. But it seams to me like that would require that when you fly you are connected to the Internet.

I don't think that is the case. Certainly the previous flight logger was an offline tool that connected through to the Internet only to post the data. I sniff a wind of change in the current flight logger but I guess an offline mode would still be useful for many.