Flight hours

[EHM-0654 Murray]

Originally posted by Willem de Graaf
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All these Pireps online at VATSIM ??    NO,
He only makes 8 min. and 44 sec online as a ATC.!, that’s one of the things
Everbody can check on vatsim.
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Willem,

Don't know if VATSIM is the same as IVAO in this respect but IVAO (which I know you know well) treats your online time as a pilot as distinct and separate from your time as a pilot (or as a staff member, for that matter!)

What you have shown in your screeny is Rico's ATC hours, not his pilot hours (if VATSIM registers a difference...) So, a little digging around on the EuroHarmony and IVAO websites tells me...



that you have 300+hrs as a pilot, 0 hrs as an ATC (even though you're registered as an ATC student... give it a go, IvAc is a lovely bit of software...), and 0 hrs as an IVAO staff member

EDIT: Well, my bad. Just done some digging around (using my own VATSIM ID to see what VATSIM will tell you about a pilot) and I discover that VATSIM does indeed keep your pilot and ATC hours separate (and boy, do you have a lot of time logged on VATSIM Willem). Seems that Rico is trying to diddle the system...

[EHM-0744 Alex]

How come Thomas Gilpin is shown as frozen?

P.S. Is the Live support thing working?

[EHM-0588 Paul]

How come Thomas Gilpin is shown as frozen?

Unless you are Thomas...
 checking...
   checked, no

That is something between Thomas and the management.

P.S. Is the Live support thing working?

Nope.

[EHM-0641 Rico]

I'm not cheating....my internet logged off with out me noticing....

what is it with you people...
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And I already send an email to my hub manager to get the hours removed, FYI

[EHM-0641 Rico]

I fly for fun , just as you guyz do...

it's a nice hobby..

But to be criticized for every step you take :[ , that realy takes the fun outta it..

I never realy cared about people talking about me, but it gives you a bad name... before  the big crash  I was flying the same amount of hours and every thing else, but you never heard some one bitch about it...

but now with the re-opened EH, it's like someone can't have fun...  :s

i don't know why...maybe because of my hours..? the difference..?? I don't know... maybe people don't like that I way ahead of them.. i don't know

Anyways, I uttered ny thoughts... I hope you can be a little more , hmm lets say friendly or so or whatever.....

To tell you the thruth... Due to all of this I'm seriously considering to quit flying for EH ..

well..cheers, happy flying

[EHM-0962 Zhen Yi]

hmm actually what they are just getting a thorough look at your data......and at the same time looking for answers to discrepancies.......nothing else or so i believe......quite a number of us like to analyse data and we know that so......please do not get offended!

[EHM-0962 Zhen Yi]

Anyway found another cheater, this one should be for sure as the flights are reported with different planes and with time difference of one minute for some.......and doesnt seem to be a calculation error as the times are 23.58 or 23.59, the maximum or close to the maximum that you can milk out of one flight with our current system.......

the id is : EHM-1383 (Ricardo Sargaço)

[EHM-1199 Philip]

Ultimately, if we suspect foul play, without pointing a finger to aggresively we should be able to ask for answers. There is so much flexibility in EHM that the system can be abused but where it is obvious it should be picked up and warnings given. Frequent and repeated abuse should result in dismissal.
It seems as though we need to be careful as to how we question though, as surely folks are innocent until proven guilty.
Also, we should beware criticising just on the basis of flight hours. Further evidence is needed. When I started this thread it was with the observation that top performers for EHM in the first week had flown in excess of ten hours a day for the whole week. My own opinion is that if you are filing flights for EHM you should be flying - not clicking on autopilot and leaving the machine for hours on end as I suspect some do with the current checks.
Therefore, lower daily flight hours are more likely to be achievable and the reality. I wonder in a week that included over seventy hours of flight simming just how much of it was actually spent in front of the computer flying.
This is where I started the thread and no offence was meant by asking the question. Inflammatory language such as 'cheating' seems unecessary. Sure we want it to be fair but it does, as Rico points out, have to be fun.
Management work hard to create EHM as a web presence that enhances the experience and I guess if we take things too seriously we undo this.
I would say - don't leave Rico but accept the fact that whilst you maintain a regular high hourly rate people will occasionally ask questions. This doesn't mean you need to quit and to be honest in many VAs your current hourly rate would be impossible. Many require a booking system for flights and/or have a realistic daily max. as already discussed.
Take care and keep flying :8

[EHM-0744 Alex]

I wonder why this didnt happen before EHM crashed... I guess its because we all had a start at the same time, therefore we really saw how much each person did.

I wont make any comments about Rico's flight hours, as I dont think we have enough evidence to say anything.

Just to say that people are very different, some have more and some have less time to fly, add management positions, or other time-taking things and you have a whole variety of people with different able flight hours, respect those differences, and we'll all be ok.

For those of you who might be cheating, or any of you that are thinking of doing so, I ask that you dont, this is for fun, dont try to get above the rest, what do you achieve? If we make a consensus, and get a general feeling for not cheating, we'll all be OK.

Cheers,

Alex;)

[EHM-0641 Rico]

Originally posted by Alex
I wonder why this didnt happen before EHM crashed... I guess its because we all had a start at the same time, therefore we really saw how much each person did.

I wont make any comments about Rico's flight hours, as I dont think we have enough evidence to say anything.

Just to say that people are very different, some have more and some have less time to fly, add management positions, or other time-taking things and you have a whole variety of people with different able flight hours, respect those differences, and we'll all be ok.

For those of you who might be cheating, or any of you that are thinking of doing so, I ask that you dont, this is for fun, dont try to get above the rest, what do you achieve? If we make a consensus, and get a general feeling for not cheating, we'll all be OK.

Cheers,

Alex;)

very good said.. 100% agreed

[EHM-0654 Murray]

Originally posted by EHM-0641
I'm not cheating....my internet logged off with out me noticing....

what is it with you people...
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And I already send an email to my hub manager to get the hours removed, FYI

Rico,

In that case (and apologies for not noticing this post of yours earlier) I apologise for anything I may have "said" that may have been misconstrued as an accusation of serious wrong doing or gross misconduct. :|

Re: lost connectivity during flights, I am part of the staff beta test of the new pilot software on IVAO, and have had a few flights (only one of which was for EHM, and I was over halfway too) lose connection, thereby blowing my attempt to have nothing but online hours on the new database.

[EHM-0641 Rico]

Originally posted by Murray Crane
In that case (and apologies for not noticing this post of yours earlier) I apologise for anything I may have "said" that may have been misconstrued as an accusation of serious wrong doing or gross misconduct. :|

Don't worry man, no offense taken

Re: lost connectivity during flights, I am part of the staff beta test of the new pilot software on IVAO, and have had a few flights (only one of which was for EHM, and I was over halfway too) lose connection, thereby blowing my attempt to have nothing but online hours on the new database.

That sux... :s ..I know how that goes..Internet sometimes just sux

Regards,

[EHM-0962 Zhen Yi]

hmm.......so........everything's alright now? lets get back to flying!

[EHM-0744 Alex]

Well said!

Cheers!

Alex;)


P.S. Does anyone know if Armando is out? I've waiting for my sweden tour and online award for about 5 days now and I havent heard anything from him in the forums either.:s

[EHM-1150 Armando]

Hi alex

I'm allways around here, and, even if I don't post frequently, I visit the forum several times a day (it's my top visited site).
As you might know, I'm finishing the Flight Logger (I'm working on the help file) and making intensive tests before releasing it, which keeps me away from flying; besides that, I'm testing an idea of creating a small add-on for FS, a GPWS.

About your awards, I'm working on it right now.

Bye bye

[EHM-0962 Zhen Yi]

so what do you think the GPWS will/should do?

[EHM-1152 Thomas]

Originally posted by Alex
How come Thomas Gilpin is shown as frozen?

Thanks for the concern Alex! Not to worry though, I just filled in a PIREP slightly wrong so it looked like I'd done a class 3 flight before I had enough hours.  It's all sorted now though, just a misunderstanding.

[EHM-0744 Alex]

What is a GPWS? Like a GPS? :s

[EHM-0240 Joe]

GPWS is Ground Proximity Warning System.

I think it means something like a computer voice that shouts out how far from the ground you are when landing.

I may be wrong though.

[EHM-1150 Armando]

Originally posted by Joe Darby
GPWS is Ground Proximity Warning System.

I think it means something like a computer voice that shouts out how far from the ground you are when landing.

I may be wrong though.

Yes, that's what I'm working on; although there are systems much more complex than that, with vertical radar, I'm just working with voice warnings.

Bye bye

[EHM-0641 Rico]

Originally posted by Armando Chibante

Originally posted by Joe Darby
GPWS is Ground Proximity Warning System.

I think it means something like a computer voice that shouts out how far from the ground you are when landing.

I may be wrong though.

Yes, that's what I'm working on; although there are systems much more complex than that, with vertical radar, I'm just working with voice warnings.

Bye bye

How's that going??

[EHM-0695 Scott]

Okay... If you wanna investigate cheaters, look for the flight reports that are over 16 hours... with no commented fuel stops.

I think we should limit pilots to 100 hours per month. That is the max hours allowed by commercial pilots in Canada. Seems to make sense... It allows you to fly any day for any length of time until you reach your monthly max of 100..... It's still alot of flying.

I personally still do not use the flightlogger. And quite frankly, it does not really prevent cheating. If someone still wants to cheat with fligthtlogger it can be done easily. I've played around with it and discovered it is not cheatproof.

But I think I'm the wrong guy to be picky about hours. I've been simming since FS98 and have thousands of hours logged in a binder and now in FS Flight Tracker (superb program - especially since I love stats). I'm not interested in hours... More so in fuel consumption, loadfactors etc.

Anyhow... my 2 cents is up.

Keep flying. Keep having fun! Blue side up, three green and all that other fun stuff.

[EHM-0641 Rico]

:s ?

This topic is sooooooooooooooo old...

With "how's that going" I meant the GPWS project that Armando mentioned !!:>

[EHM-0695 Scott]

Neat... I wonder why it came up as a new post on my forum? 'Course I never looked at the date of the last post.

Obviously a new thread with the GPWS topic should have been started to avoid this confusion.

If you search the internet, there is a module available called Copilot (or something like it) that includes GPWS, Pushback, and a number of other handy features. Search AVSIM or Flightsim.com and you'll find it.

[EHM-0641 Rico]

Originally posted by Scott EHM-0695
........Obviously a new thread with the GPWS topic should have been started to avoid this confusion........

Yeah, should have thought of that...

Thnx for the info  

Cheers,